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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Except that still has the new effects and it's still restored. And therein lies my problem with what you can usually see.

The new CG effects look totally out-of-place with the show as it was filmed. They're incredibly jarring.
The restoration does not take into account the fact that the lighting and makeup was designed to pop on snowy 1960s TVs.

I don't need to see what is clearly just makeup on Spock. Or just lipstick on Shatner. I really don't think Kirk would have been wearing lipstick. Not even as a gender thing, I just don't think he would see a reason to.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

TOS in 4k is best enjoyed on a 24" CRT that is 7 feet away with broadcast noise

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And DS9 is best enjoyed....on a flip phone? lol

Truly a case of "not because I should but because I could" haha.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sigh, fine. I'll bite.

How did you take this picture?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My old smartphone has been demoted to mini-tablet.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was trying to bait you into an increasingly complex series of images where it is always implied that you captured the images with a phone, yet the phone is always pictured. Us, the idiot audience are to assume the absence of standalone cameras.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Lol, well, next time I'll be sure to take the bait, go to my drawer of abandoned gadgets, and take increasingly meta photos until I end with this:

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Camera 1 whirr

Camera 2 whirr

Camera 3 whirr

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I appreciate that. Also CAT makes phones?! You sent me down a rabbit hole and now I want and kind of need a phone with a built in Flir camera.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They did, not sure if they still do (which sucks because these things are tanks). Their website has a Let's Encrypt cert that expired in April lol.

Amazon has the Cat S62 Pro available unlocked if you can deal with an outdated version of Android (10). May be lucky and a newer 3rd party ROM exists.

The 160×120 pixel FLIR Lepton 3.5 sensor it uses is $164 by itself, so $349 for that phone might actually be a decent deal (admittedly, I don't have a mental price range for what a FLIR camera costs).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My one issue with buying anything at all from them is that I've made tens of thousands of parts for that company and have their tolerances for all sizes memorized... and yikes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

their tolerances for all sizes memorized... and yikes

(Frustrated O'Brien noises)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

That would be a great Lower Decks scene. Kirk and Spock in a bathroom together where Spock is touching up his eye shadow and Kirk is applying lipstick.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I had to go out of my way to find a non-remastered version because the effects were just pulling me right out of the nostalgia

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where'd you find one? I'd much rather this than the "updated" graphics, which I too find jarring.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i think i just grabbed the shittiest looking torrent i could find, all avi files. I've heard there's a way to find them on Paramount but I've never tried

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

…all avi files.

This is the way.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Real film can be cleaned up, restored and remastered in super mego 4000K HD or whatever, so I can see Spock's five 'o clock shadow come and go as the filming day went on and they filmed some scenes out of order, then physically cut the chosen takes together on a machine. It makes me smile. Real film is best film.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Spock's five 'o clock shadow

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The actor's chin, cheek and upper lip stubble. "Five 'o clock shadow" is an English idiom for a man's facial hair. They shave in the morning before work, some clean shaven men will have short stubble visible again by 5 p.m. or so.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I should have tried googling, but I assumed it is some dark hidden trek secret :)

Thank you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

No problem! I love idioms and don't mind explaining.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Who owns the reels? Do you know?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I don't, Paramount has the rights, they might have the masters.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All Star Trek through season 3 of Enterprise was shot (though not necessarily mastered) on film. No?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

IIRC DS9 and VOY were shot on tape which is why they say we'll never get a true remaster of those.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They were shot, but not mastered on film. The problem is they have a lot more cg that would have to be completely redone and no one wants to spend the money on it. For example, we have some 4k footage scanned from the original film from the ds9 doc “what we left behind”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I want to spend the money on it! I don’t have the money, but I still want to spend it!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

There's some really decent upscaled samples of Voyager floating around (well, decent looking to me at least). Would love to know how they did it, I tried upscaling sg1 a few years back and have nfi what I'm doing, they succeeded at taking up a lot more space, and that's about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How was this done? Upscale or from the original film?

Urgh imagine if paramount stopped being cheap bastards and just released 4k HDR of all of trek.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The original film is analog. The resolution can be as high as you want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I know.

But how did they get access to the original.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

They have the reels

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Well, I found this delightful! Cheers, OP!