Why on Earth would you want there to be?
this post was submitted on 22 Aug 2024
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The total anonymity aspect is seductive. Say anything without it being tied to any one user. Lots of toxic and nasty shit comes out of that, but also some crazy ideas and high concept stuff that might never gain traction because nobody wants to go on record about it.
There was one for a while. They tend to get defederated. Exploding Heads decides to move to Nostr and close their lemmy instance down
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I hear some of the old exploding-heads crew is back as hilariouschaos.com
Wow, really? I thought HC was just shitpost garbage.
I've seen some of the posts and they are pretty skeevy
Not under any active development
i don't really see the usecase that isn't perfectly covered by lemmy?
Its called X
federated
X is heavily moderated compared to 4chan. Its just moderated to favor right wing views now. Plus the heavy amount of control the algorithm provides in shaping peoples content bubbles.
It would be hard to federate because there are no accounts, nothing to follow
Not so sure that's true though. If you look at a 4chan threads in some boards, you can recognize the individual anonymous' from the ID next to them.
I suspect it's using either a cookie, or the IP address to track a user and while not storing that info, generating an ID hash from perhaps a unique ID for the thread + their details.
No reason you couldn't federate using the same. But, even without that, each post and comment has a post ID and replies would be tracked that way. Just, you'd need to remember which replies were your own.
The home instance could store for a thread some info about posts/comments from an IP or cookie too and highlight them. But that info wouldn't be federated.
I actually don't think it'd be a problem, really. But, is this something missing from our lives? I'm not so sure.
When you post in a thread you get an ID for that thread. When you post in a different thread you get a different id.
The only way i could see it working is following a particular board on an instance. So I might follow the fitness board on the chan.nz instance and id see all threads pop up and I could open them and view the comments just like on lemmy or mastodon. Actually I think that would work.
When you post in a thread you get an ID for that thread. When you post in a different thread you get a different id.
That's what I said. You don't need any ID to federate the messages. If you reply to a comment the nesting is based on the comment/post ID and not the usernames.
You couldn't track a users posts after the fact, and I think that's kinda the point.
Hexbear
Funhouse mirror version but yeah it is pretty similar, never thought about that.
"hexbear is fediverse 4chan!!!"
has the largest weekly trans megathread in the entire fediverse, a supermajority of non-cishet users, aggressively bans racism, bigotry and transphobia on sight, has hard-coded mandatory pronoun tags
Lmao okay, sure bud
4chan has a massive trans community and aggressively racisms and bigotrees on sight. Its the other end of the horseshoe
Horshoe theory is horseshit, as even NATOpedia will tell you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#Academic_studies_and_criticism
Ok that's not really relevant unless you consider the lgbt community on 4chan to not be extremely bigoted or you consider hexbear to be extremely bigoted.
do you consider hexbear to be extremely bigoted? if so, against who?
No I don't consider them bigoted hence why I put them on the Otherside of the spectrum
Sounds like someone got bullied for having a bad take and now can't tell the difference between nazis and queers
If you enjoy dumb takes and edgy politics it's for you. I'm not surprised someone from ml is defending hexbear tbh.
Not to mention your defense is "you got bullied". Sounds like an awesome place, eh.
For what it's worth, I am a frequent lurker of hexbear and their users' newspaper archive is wonderful - every politician is full of it and they know it full well.
Willing to bet 'dumb takes' and 'edgy politics' exactly describe the correct moral position in the argument you got bullied over your bad takes. Care to elaborate or just gonna hide in the tall grass of hypotheticals and generalizations?
I never said I got bullied. That's you telling everyone your experience.
What exactly about 4chan are you looking for?
How does 4chan's design differ from traditional forums, really? There's less moderation and more anonymity than you might usually expect, but the very nature of ActivityPub means that aspect doesn't really make as much sense in a federated forum.
So do you just want something like Lemmy but without nested comments or upvoting, and only sorting posts by new and comments by old, the way a traditional forum does? For that you might be able to try LemmyBB which is a front-end to Lemmy that says it's supposed to look like phpBB forums. (Unfortunately I can't verify because the two domains its Readme claims run that software are both no longer active.) Or you could try Morum, forum software based not in ActivityPub but Matrix. There are also plugins for non-federated forum software, like Discourse which aim to enable ActivityPub integration with their forums.
Is there some other feature of 4chan that you want to see?
Interesting concept. I don't think there is. I also don't think it'd take long for your software to get blocked everywhere because of the types of people anonymous websites attract.
The best equivalent I can think of is to create a new Nostr account for every post, and then group the comment threads somewhere.
Is 4chan anonymous because it doesn't require a username?
It's anonymous in that there are no user accounts. They keep track of IP addresses of course, but between users there's no way to distinguish others unless they want to be distinguished. This is unlike the Fediverse, which very much assumes user accounts for most messages. In theory you could submit messages as a system actor (you'd probably show up as a bot elsewhere) but there's no platform that does that as far as I know.
Something like this can be built, relatively easily probably, but I don't expect many other systems to interact with such software well.
One with user blocking and actual moderating of racists/bigots would be interesting
I'm fairly sure I've seen an NNTP based imageboard that distributed it's content through that protocol and different instances had overlap of boards. That's about the closest match to federated system you're going to find with this model I think. Interesting concept. Not something I'd want to interact with personally though.