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[โ€“] [email protected] 71 points 2 months ago (2 children)

During the course of our testing, we observed that Windows 11 was scheduling workloads on the 9700X in a manner that would try to saturate a single core first, by placing workloads on each of its logical threads.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago

it's obviously a scheduler/p-state bug in windows, look at the Linux performance

https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-9600x-9700x

[โ€“] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

so, basically, the os isn't tuned for the new chips yet.

the 2nd threads on smt-enabled cores are supposed to get hit last.

[โ€“] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's an easy fix, sure.

But there are 3 manufacturers for them to schedule for. It should be ready way before anything ships.

[โ€“] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago

Copilot and ads taking up development cycles

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

There should be no need for tuning, tweaking, or optimizing on functionality this basic.

If you ask the processor, it will spit out a graph like this telling you what threads/cores share resources, all the way up to (on large or server platforms) some RAM or PCIe slots being closer to certain groups of cores.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For values of "new chips" that include 20 year old ones. Foster was released 2001, the chips were single-core but you could have up to eight on a board so it's still multi-core SMT. First on-die multi-core SMT seemed to have been Paxville, 2005.

Or maybe Windows server has a proper scheduler and they never bothered bringing it to desktops?

[โ€“] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago

This is shockingly stupid. SMT has been a thing on x86 long enough for it to be able to buy it's own alcohol and yet somehow the windows scheduler STILL can't fucking deal with it?

I'm not a kernel-level developer or anything but I mean, at some point you have to wonder how fucking trash windows kernel internals are that this problem keeps happening over and over and over and.....

[โ€“] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or they just found out that Windows process scheduler is still broken beyond repair. If you look at the benchmarks on GNU/Linux performance is all there. For example see Phoronix benchmark