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Can someone explain why so many people here are FOR blocking Threads.net on a server level? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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I might not be understanding something about the fediverse, but isn't this like if you couldn't send or receive email from a friend because you use gmail Google decided to block @icloud domains?

Like, you're not forced to follow or interact with it, and are free to block it if you can think of a reason to, I just don't see why such an open platform used to limit users in this way

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.

People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that's fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can't and shouldn't be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is called "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90's and 00's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy World is doing a pretty good job of that themselves. I don't hate them, but I don't understand why.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, they aren't. They aren't by any means.

Maybe there are more posts from that instance, but there is no one trying to then extend the protocol with the objective of requesting special features and then killing off the protocol.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They haven't gone that far yet, but they're on their way. I didn't think they were like that in the beginning either, but they certainly were advertising themselves to be the best place to go in the beginning for some unknown reason. They now try and take over every community and/or shut down smaller ones. An admin was curating things, which isn't a great sign. Granted, it was just an admin, but I'm not welcome there anymore. They act like reddit, so I think of them like reddit. That's just my take, you're totally welcome to disagree, and you obviously do. I didn't see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

didn’t see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.

Welcome to the other instances!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ty, I really like SJW, they're pretty great here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It's a nice one

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 months ago

I don’t want to interact with anything related to that company. There’s a reason I don’t have accounts on any of their platforms. I don’t like them.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

Because I remember this https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

And it feels like deja vu.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don't consent to use it. AFAIK, you can't block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

because fuck facebook and its ten other names and fuck zuckerberg too

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

I simply don’t trust Meta. That’s all.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

All the arguments were had here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11011288

edit: and the subsequent vote where we decided to defederate: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11308397

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Facebook bad.

Yes that's my whole take.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

This is all you need.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Fascist-adjacent.

Overwhelmingly large.

E-mail does not work the same way.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some more discussion on this old post here, both for and against

https://lemmy.ca/post/11771031

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Thank you for the link

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I went to fedi to avoid big corporations and what they've done with social media. Why would I want their platform having access to my posts? I don't trust meta or any of the other big tech companies. In fact, the main mastodon instance I use blocks threads entirely and that's one of the reasons I joined it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

For me it's just "fuck Meta." Fuck that company for coming here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I can't stand what the internet is turning in to. Turn off moderation like it used to be. It used to be the wild west, now it's a dystopian hellscape. I prefer the wild west myself.