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Can someone explain why so many people here are FOR blocking Threads.net on a server level? (sh.itjust.works)

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I might not be understanding something about the fediverse, but isn't this like if you couldn't send or receive email from a friend because you use gmail Google decided to block @icloud domains?

Like, you're not forced to follow or interact with it, and are free to block it if you can think of a reason to, I just don't see why such an open platform used to limit users in this way

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.

People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that's fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can't and shouldn't be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is called "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90's and 00's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy World is doing a pretty good job of that themselves. I don't hate them, but I don't understand why.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, they aren't. They aren't by any means.

Maybe there are more posts from that instance, but there is no one trying to then extend the protocol with the objective of requesting special features and then killing off the protocol.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They haven't gone that far yet, but they're on their way. I didn't think they were like that in the beginning either, but they certainly were advertising themselves to be the best place to go in the beginning for some unknown reason. They now try and take over every community and/or shut down smaller ones. An admin was curating things, which isn't a great sign. Granted, it was just an admin, but I'm not welcome there anymore. They act like reddit, so I think of them like reddit. That's just my take, you're totally welcome to disagree, and you obviously do. I didn't see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

didn’t see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.

Welcome to the other instances!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ty, I really like SJW, they're pretty great here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

It's a nice one

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago

I don’t want to interact with anything related to that company. There’s a reason I don’t have accounts on any of their platforms. I don’t like them.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

Because I remember this https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

And it feels like deja vu.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don't consent to use it. AFAIK, you can't block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.

[+] [email protected] -24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can't block anything from seeing your posts and comments though. That is point of a free and public space. Defederation isn't doing what you think it is

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, websites could scrape and whatnot, but having actual API integration is a very different thing.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

only until llm scrapers hit the market. they will make the api requirement negligible. like reddit is finding out now... you can block your api all you want but people are just going to scrape your public site.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but that's not the issue at all. The issue is that they'd be linking lemmy content from within Threads, as in using Lemmy content to drive engagement for Threads. Whether it's used in an LLM is another matter entirely. Without direct API integration, Lemmy posts and comments won't show up in Threads. That's my take on why people want to defederate.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

this is exactly it. these people are posting public information, and are then getting butt-hurt when its used a public resource.

im running an mbin instance (shoutout https://moist.catsweat.com !), which does connect to threads. I purposefully avoided using lemmy as its not capable of doing that. I wanted to give people stuck in the FB walled garden a path out where they could still communicate with their friends and family on threads.

my only concern with threads is one of resource management/volume. I cant have their stream physically take down my server, so that would be the only reason for me to block them.

a rather large lemmy contingent are vehemently, emotionally anti-meta. see also the 'fedipact'

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

a rather large lemmy contingent are vehemently, emotionally anti-meta.

Meta's history doesn't really speak in its favor

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hey! This looks neat. What is Mbin exactly?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

its a lemmy-compatible reddit clone + it has the whole 'microblog' section (ie, mastodon/tweets), so users from mbin can subscribe to and be subscribed from the rest of the 'verse

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Alternative to Lemmy, compatible with it: https://joinmbin.org/

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

because fuck facebook and its ten other names and fuck zuckerberg too

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You understand perfectly well.

This is not genuine discource. You post in bad faith with a tactic as old as Reddit. Piss off slag.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

I simply don’t trust Meta. That’s all.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

All the arguments were had here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11011288

edit: and the subsequent vote where we decided to defederate: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11308397

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

And it's since gotten worse.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Facebook bad.

Yes that's my whole take.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

This is all you need.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Fascist-adjacent.

Overwhelmingly large.

E-mail does not work the same way.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Some more discussion on this old post here, both for and against

https://lemmy.ca/post/11771031

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Thank you for the link

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I went to fedi to avoid big corporations and what they've done with social media. Why would I want their platform having access to my posts? I don't trust meta or any of the other big tech companies. In fact, the main mastodon instance I use blocks threads entirely and that's one of the reasons I joined it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

For me it's just "fuck Meta." Fuck that company for coming here.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Well, this was extremely disappointing. Only one person had a helpful reply, pointing to this link explaining the basics, a couple others vaguely gestured about their distaste of Meta, and everyone else demonstrated an even lesser understanding of the fediverse than I had started with. One particular flat-earther just called me a slag and posted a screenshot of themselves downvoting all my comments.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This discussion has happened several times over the last few months, people are probably over it.

The thread that was linked has 119 comments if you want more opinions on the topic.

If you want other threads

https://lemmy.world/post/1110170 - 1 year ago - 525 comments
https://lemm.ee/post/851217 - 1 year ago - 404 comments

[–] stembolts 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

When did anyone disagree with me? Using "autistic" as a pejorative is more revealing oof your character than mine. Good luck!

[–] stembolts 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or people checked your comment history and saw that your first ever comment was to vote against defederation, and you haven't done anything besides drop pseud-posts whenever people expressed their desire not to federate with Threads. That does not look like good faith engagement to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Username checks out

[+] [email protected] -14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's a lot of reactionary anti-corpo types here. There's really no good reason for users to want to defederate from a Facebook owned instance. It's also a pointless stance, as threads is a Twitter/mastodon style site and not really compatible with reddit/lemmy style sites.

There are some technical reasons to avoid federating for those hosting instances. The software forces local copies of everything users subscribe to which is a massive space concern. There's also a problem with performance of syncing that data for large instances that's already a problem with .world size instances, where it can take a day+ to process new comments.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There’s really no good reason for users to want to defederate from a Facebook owned instance.

Yeah why would anyone object to a company that manipulated people for the fascist who tried to overthrow the US government, and recently hired a co-author of Project 2025? 'You just don't like it!'