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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But decaf is like...the same price or more because of additional manufacturing costs to remove the caffeine content from the beans.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They still sold more of it, easily making up for the slightly higher cost.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also, only having to stock one type reduces inventory, which has a bunch of cost saving, even if they got a slightly more expensive base product.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

And you only need to maintain one pot of coffee at a time, saving space and equipment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

It says in the post that people assume they need more coffee

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Can regular coffee drinkers notice the difference taste-wise? I’m the opposite of a coffee connoisseur and I drink any kind of brewed and instant coffee (including decaf) and can’t tell the difference.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Side by side, trying one after the other. I can tell they taste different. But walking into a place blind, and only getting one. I think it might be hard to tell.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Side by side you'll notice the little kick depending on strength. But you'd likely be full placebo none the wiser.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was at a concert drinking my fourth beer, getting nicely buzzed when someone told me those were alcohol-free and I just sobered up instantly. It was awful.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Ouch, your wallet

Alcohol-free buzz worked on TV too

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

Taste-wise? Probably not. But I'd know by 11am because the caffeine withdrawal would start and I'd get headaches.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm a pretty avid coffee enjoyer, and I can't tell the difference. The stuff that you can buy chemically decaffeinated are made by brands that generally sell lower quality coffee beans in the first place

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good roasters also usually have a decaf roast on the go. You can taste the difference, but if you're just getting some random restaurant's drip coffee, you'd probably just assume a bunch of things are off about it anyway, so "it's secretly decaf" wouldn't necessarily rank very high.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Only if you're sensitive to caffeine.

My sister would feel the difference because her heart goes nuts if she has regular coffee. I wouldn't since I'm an addict with high tolerance. Maybe the headache around noon would make me suspicious but probably not.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As someone who works in taste, people tend to overestimate their tasting abilities. Alcohol free beer, meatless snacks, etc. When presented without focusing attention to taste, people generally don't notice.

If you give both options and are forward about it they will be 50% correct in discerning the 'alternative'. Realization comes more clearly in the absence of physiological change (no inebriation, no caffeine effect).

However if people do find out you're cheating them you can sell legit product all day, but people will still doubt you. So don't expect long term business.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Alcohol free beer

Um, the smell alone is a dead giveaway, since alcohol has a very distinct smell. I don't drink alcohol, but I assume the taste of alcohol is similarly distinctive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Beer doesn't usually smell of ethanol, it smells like hops and yeast. Since most AF beers are built to model light ales anyway, I can hardly tell. I've also gotten really into mocktails lately and with the right mixes of bitters and syrups most of them are significantly better than real cocktails. With those, that gasoline taste of ethanol is noticeably absent in a good way!

I know exactly how caffeine affects me though, and would pretty quickly realize I'd been given decaf.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

As someone who works in taste

Is this an exotic way of saying that you're a chef?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

No I'm a sommelier

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Side by side I could pick out bad decaf, but I'd struggle to notice good decaf.

On its own I'd just assume I was given a bad to average cup of coffee, which is what I would expect anywhere but home.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Anon says it was a restaurant that happens to serve coffee; not a dedicated coffee shop. So, honestly, probably not. Chances are the coffee would be stale, burned, or just plain poorly brewed regardless of what beans were actually used.

A lot of whining is done about decaf, but it takes a pretty refined palate and a lot of experience consciously tasting the differences to be able to reliably tell the difference by taste alone.

The biggest giveaway is the near total lack of a caffeine buzz, even after several cups. But the placebo effect will go a long way to mitigate that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

At a cheap diner? You'd have a hard time telling cuz even when you use regular coffee, the caffeine content is pretty low.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Depends on the coffee.

I developed a sensitivity to caffeine, it basically throws me into a weird heart racing thing at any but the smallest doses.

But I freaking love coffee. So I buy decaf. If you shop around, find a few brands that do water process decaf, you'll end up with something that's good. Not just good enough, but good.

But the chemical process decaf, yeah, I can tell a difference blindfolded. Literally, I won a bet doing it.

The typical name brands, they usually have a fairly over processed taste to begin with. So it's harder to detect, and I can't tell the difference as clearly. It's there, but you have to already have compared them before you can tell blind.

Thing is, part of that is how you drink coffee. If you're drinking it out of habit, or on the go, your brain is going to filter the taste out in favor of other sensory input. You have to be drinking it for the coffee itself, paying attention to the experience.

Chemical process decaf has this layer of unpleasant metallic tang to me. Water process tastes like the same basic roast and bean, just slightly less intense. Things like floral notes get a little muted.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

🌈🌞 that's _illegal_🍨🌈

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Only if you're caught

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just don't say your coffee has caffeine in it!

Honestly, you could probably argue in court that given no one complained and caffeine has proven ill effects on health no harm was done.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

It's a clear violation of FDA regulations. They say an item must be labeled as what it actually is. They even have official definitions for specific items. Decaf coffee is definitely recognized by the FDA and there are regulations that limit the amount of solvent residue that they use to remove the caffeine. See: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=173.290

It's not the same product as coffee, and actually by giving people decaf, you are making people consume chemical residues that they did not sign up to consume. It's illegal for serious reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Uh, where I'm from decaffeinated coffee is more expensive than caffeinated.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

I don't drink coffee, but shouldn't that be the case everywhere, cause of the extra steps you have to take to remove the caffeine from the beans?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also I've never been charged for a coffee refill.

Coffee is usually free after you buy the first cup.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I assume you live in the USA? In Europe most coffees are just singular items you order, with exceptions in buffets / sometimes hotels.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What fresh hell... Yeah I'm in the US, where coffee flows from the taps, our plants are fertilized with coffee grounds. We may live in a dystopian nightmare police state, but we have coffee

Until it goes extinct. But for now we have coffee.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Before I visited the us myself I didn't know about the obsession with coffee y'all have. I mean coffee is also very important in Germany but I think you have us beat.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel like it should be clarified that if you're ordering an actual coffee drink (espresso base) it's not going to have free refills.

Plain old drip coffee though? Super cheap everywhere, actually the cheapest thing you can buy at a lot of convenience stores.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Well the default here is that you pay even for water at a restaurant or similar...

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ah the best financial strategy... lying!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

My dad ran a similar business, he was an arborist. When requested to trim or fell a tree on private property, he would inform the owner that the species was protected by state law, and they would need to file an application for exemption. He helped them file it, and they paid him directly to fast track it, plus his quotation and consult fee. Unfortunately, so many of these applications were rejected, and dad could do nothing further to help the home owner, his hands were tied.

There was no such protected species, dude didnt even own a chainsaw.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So fraud. The secret ingredient is fraud.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is what the judge said, yes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whoh how long before he got caught? Jail time? Other stories maybe, you got me curious about him

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bro's lying on the Internet

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

It sounded so real!

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From my limited experience of drinking decaf, it usually tastes more watery. Probably wouldn't visit that coffee shop again if their coffee was watery

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think it was a coffee shop. Actually a lot of restaurants do this. Some people can't have caffeine and they'd rather not risk accidentally serving them the wrong thing when they order decaf.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm mostly fine with caffeine but if I drink those energy drinks I get really ill, it's weird. I can down espressos wouldn't have a problem, but there's something in the energy drinks that make me ill.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Probably one of those caffeine replacements they use. What's the big one? Tourine or something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

They generally have quite a few other things in them that could make you feel sick. Like a ton of b vitamins and various herbs. It could also be you react badly to the sweeteners in it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

I've never heard of a Café doing this, but I know a lot of wedding caterers will, especially toward the end of an event. It's safer to have people who've been drinking just get tired and leave rather than get some caffeine in them and get a second wind. Plus, it's easier to just brew one type of coffee, and while caffeine could be dangerous for someone with a heart condition, no one ever dropped dead from decaf.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago
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