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[–] [email protected] 210 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The thing about Trump's whole political career that I find most incredible is that just about any one shitty thing he ever did, in isolation, would have been absolutely career ending for anyone else, or in the very least a massive, historically significant scandal. But with him? He just keeps the hits coming, so many disasters in such quick succession that none of them really have time to sink in, there's no time to really examine them because by the time you've really called him out, there's already some other stupid shit taking up the headlines.

Obama wore a tan suit, the News cycle freaked out. Obama asked for Dijon mustard on his burger, the news says he's hopelessly out of touch with the common people. These were SCANDALS in the public eye. Trump proposes just bombing Mexico... we have to go out of our way to point out that this is actually a big deal, because next week he'll have done something else completely insane.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's partially that he does it so often and partially that many of the claims are so outlandish that no one takes them seriously. Like saying he'll bomb Mexico. On the one hand, "he says lots of shit" and on the other "Ok, he won't REALLY bomb Mexico. He's just saying that. Someone will stop him from bombing Mexico. "

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

And partially that education is pretty bad in red states so when Trump says stupid shit there's a lot of people dumber than him thinking "this guy knows what he's talking about." He's the idiots idea of a genius because he's the first politician dumb enough for them to understand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

The same reason that he can say insane shit and get away with it is the same reason that there's nothing he can really say that undermines Kamala's candidacy.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

The media gatekeepers responsible for applying consequences through fatal stories aren't doing it to Trump because they have a vested interest in making sure politics doesn't become boring again.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Trump saying something extremely irresponsible and stupid isn't newsworthy anymore.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It should be. What purpose would this serve? No concern for life or process. It speaks directly to how Trump sees those he considers less than him. If he were president again, how long until he threatens to bomb an American state passing laws he doesn't like?

It's all fine and dandy when it's brown people, but what about working class people protesting for unions and workers rights? What about women standing united for the right to bodily autonomy? When the lgbtq community throws bricks again for getting arrested for existing in public? When women's suffrage is in question and people start taking hammers to windows and chaining themselves to railings?

Every single thing he says should be considered prelude to the worst impulses of an unhinged and irresponsible mad man with more power than most people on earth could possibly dream of.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

Agreed. Trump, the personality, should not be "newsworthy" anymore. Trump, the character in our shit-stirring forecasting, shouldn't be "newsworthy" anymore.

Trump said a crazy thing that threatens millions of people and everyone needs to know what a threat he is? That's absolutely is still newsworthy.

Quit speculating on whether Trump is joking, if Trump believes what he says, if he'll be nicer, or whatever other tea leaves that the media keeps claiming to be able to read. Just report on what the greatest individual immediate threat to this country is saying and doing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Don-Old Trump also suggested drinking bleach to cure Covid and using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes.

He’s so irresponsibly weird— and also clinically insane

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (35 children)

I remember debating with my buddy (he's pro-Russia) about the Ruso-Ukrainian war when it broke out, and my saying how Russia invading Ukraine because of Nazi gangs is a pretty flim flam excuse for a land grab. "It would be like the US invading Mexico and seizing territory because of the drug cartels", I said. Why is my country this way.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How sad is it that I learned about Trump's plan to bomb Mexico not from American news media, but from alarmed Mexican friends.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mexico is our second largest trading partner. Both Canada and Mexico are our closest allies. They provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey.

I'm not worried that this would start a war. I'm worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Both Canada and Mexico are our closest allies. They provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey.

And yet, Trump routinely shits on both countries and his cultists just blindly fall in line.

I'm worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.

Don't worry, my American friend, we have already developed quite a bit of distrust in your country since 2016, and it's not likely to be repaired signifigantly until we see if y'all are willing to collectively and loudly reject trumpism and its related bullshit.

[–] Tja 15 points 3 months ago

Same sentiment from Europe. A narrow Kamala victory will be just a temporary relief.

Getting Trump elected has been a major victory for any enemies of the US, radicalizing the electorate and creating long lasting tensions and distrust,both internal and external.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

I’m worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.

Significant tension with our Mexican neighbors is exactly what Trump, Desantis and other weirdo's rhetoric is causing. They're just trying gin up more hatred from their bizarre, poorly educated, toxic supporters and they don't get a fuck about anyone else.

Each time some GOP idiot talks about invading or bombing Mexico the news spreads like wildfire in Mexico while American news media ignores it almost completely. I repeatedly hear about bullshit the GOP freaks are spouting from my Mexican friends instead of reading about it in our own mainstream media.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (5 children)

So that's the plan, Mexico is going to be Trump's Poland.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Republicans in 2028:

"We can't have an election during a war! The election is suspended until the war with Mexico* is over."

*-technically the war is with Mexican cartels, not the Mexican government, so as long as we say at least 1 cartel still exists the war isn't over.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

War on Terror 2: Mariachi Madness

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

They'll pull a Reagan and start buying drugs from the cartels.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

So how come nobody is talking about it?

Indeed, Vox news. How come, indeed.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (20 children)

Trump is an idiot but I've always wondered why the u.s and mexico don't join up and use the same force on cartels that they do on middle Eastern militants. If they went after cartels the way they do jihadists across the planet, there wouldn't be cartels left

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What are you talking about bub?

The approach the USA has taken to declare war on has been an abysmal failure. I am pretty sure every single campaign of war on x has ended with x being now even more prominent than before.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sure but the I'm not expecting the u.s to change. I'm just saying why go across the planet to fight criminals instead of the ones on your continent, but I know the answer is oil. They fucked to my country for nothing but a foothold in the region, at least go fuck some cartel people

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

They'll also fuck Mexico up while unsuccessfully fighting the cartels which is why the US military isn't welcomed there. America's invasion back in 1846 is still very much in the public's consciousness there as well.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just like there are not jihadists left... oh wait.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's easier to fight a gang than an ideology. It would work out better I think

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Not really. Just as killing a person doesn't kill an ideology, killing a person also doesn't kill the profit motives for cartels.

If anything it makes the problem worse. Because you've suddenly freed up territory in a very lucrative black market.

The solution to the drug problem is to instead kill the motivations people have for doing the drugs in the first place:

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-does-rat-park-teach-us-about-addiction

This means fixing the housing crisis, guaranteeing people jobs, food, water, shelter, and medical support. It means embracing harm reduction policy. It means ending the war on drugs.

Drug use is a symptom of an unhealthy society. Fix the health of society and the symptoms will disappear, and with it the cartels as well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

could also give people free healthcare so they can afford real medication.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Create a problem and claim yourself to be the best solution. "Drugs are bad. Give us more power to combat it!"

Point the finger at 5 immigrants every day and ask the power over 300 million people to fix it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

The Mexican politicians don’t want their families brutally tortured and killed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

We've lent Mexico military assistance before. The issue is that the cartels spring from a fundamental lack of control and governance in the areas in question, which means that foreign military means simply can't fix the problem. At best, it can suppress open symptoms for a few years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

The truth is we're winning against the cartels the same way we should have fought Al Qaeda, in the shadows. And by actually helping Mexico become less corrupt and more functional.

Sending the 101st in may be cathartic but it's not the right move. If things go badly then we can always default to a military occupation. But it really shouldn't be our first option. Or our second, or our tenth.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's quite amazing how the right adapted anti-war talking points, while they themselves are also warhawks.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

bart.jpg: What a weird thing to say.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

“Media source stunned by the utter lack of balance and journalistic ethics in reporting on the US Presidential campaign because clicks matter more than facts when it comes to profits, are shocked to find nobody else has done the right thing either”.

Ok, so now that they realize it what will they do?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago
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