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[–] [email protected] 133 points 4 months ago (6 children)

"hey u see that guy on the roof with a rifle?"

"yah lol"

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

So..... I guess cops literally aren't here to protect anyone.

Whether you're a kid in school, or a former president. Cops ain't here for you.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

the most interesting thing about all of this is how no one's really outraged at this colossal police failure, like they usually are. it's like "oh.. they dropped the ball on trump's security? oh well shit happens whattayagonnado amirite?"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We already know that cops are incompetent. We would just like it if they weren't also doing the occasional murder.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

I mean, it's his campaign's decision to hold these giant open air rallies in unsecured locations. So... shrug

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Trump and his ilk are a big factor to why the police are like this so it's a bit of karmic justice regardless of anything else.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (4 children)

So I’m guessing that no one from a foreign government has even tried to take out presidential candidates? Because this kid got extremely close all while openly researching past assassinations, scoped out the rally site before the secret service, flew his drone and even got spotted multiple times. I could only imagine how easy it would be for real professional killers funded by a government.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Perhaps the only reason it's not been attempted is that Trump is the best bet for most enemy foreign governments.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

I bet they will be now

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I like to think that there's been a regular effort to stay ahead of those who might try things, and often they get thwarted early on and we just don't hear about it. Because if that's not what's been happening for years, and things that do happen are only because of mistakes or blatant removal of the efforts (looking at you, Cheney)...then no one except the few historically acts has bothered to try anything, and that seems really unlikely given how much the rest of the world "loves" us so much.

Hardly a fan of Trump, but he is a former President and due the protection that apparently was not fully engaged. Why it wasn't in place needs to be discovered and fixed. For all sides, this isn't partisan, this is basic security. And if this is broke, what else is?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This presidential protection detail has been provided by the Uvalde Sheriff's Dept.

The sound of screaming children has been removed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Agreed, we need to get the Secret Service to clean up their act before we end up risking the life of some better President!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wish there had been this much scrutiny of the police’s behavior on Jan. 6.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

I meant to add, “from Republicans”.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

wait they fucking did an uvalde? lmfao

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Thin blue linotmyproblem

[–] odium 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

When everyone thinks it's someone else's problem and that person will deal with it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

I mean, ACAB, but I do relate to not wanting to die for Donald Trump, and preferring texts to hostile in person meetings.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This seems the most likely reason. It is sort of like they teach in first aid. You don't say someone call 911 because everyone thinks someone else will. You need to tell one person directly.

The problem here is that it is not a group of untrained bystanders stumbling upon a surprise emergency. There is supposed to be a pre-established chain of command and group to take these reports and ensure that they are investigated.

Hell, I was part of events where governors made appearances, and the county had their communication command post setup and even gave radios and a briefing to our volunteers at gates and all of the area leads to report anything directly to the command post.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Even Burning Man has a proper chain of command for incident management. If a bunch of hippies in the desert can do it, the Secret Service has no excuse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

seems like teaching cops to put their own safety before literally everyone else is maybe a non-small portion of the problem

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Can't wait to see these photos

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Secret Service and local PD absolutely deserve to get reemed out and punished for this gross incompetence and security failure.

This is a huge issue that needs to be remedied quickly, else all our current and future politicians are at risk from internal or foreign enemies of the state. Regardless of your political alignment, all our politicians deserve a secure environment without risk to their own lives.

Anyone that blows this off as, it was just Trump, is massively underestimating the scale of this issue.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We knew this already?

The local sniper team was already reported to have sent this up the chain but got no response until that guy climed onto the roof and was about the shoot.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

this will totally fuel the right media conspiracies

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I wouldn't have stopped him either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Lazy cops being lazy cops. Politically I don't think there is any world where Trump is a net positive, even if you're an accelerationist. However, if you're a cop, you're supposedly a steward of public safety. Any interdiction before that kid grabbed his backpack could've saved lives. Including the shooter's if there had been any de-escalation success.

ACAB

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (-5 children)

"hey u see that guy on the roof with a rifle?"

"yah lol"

[–] [email protected] 94 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

“It’s ok, everyone here has way more guns. That’ll make him stop and go home, mark my w…. Oh shit!!”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

To be fair they went to confront him and he pointed his gun at their head. Since those who went to confront weren’t armed, they retreated and sounded an alert, but the dude shot towards diaper don before anyone could do anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Where did you read any of that?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Yesterdays NYT article on it. They had a long one in the print.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

90 minutes before that, probably:

officer:1 "You guys see that kid walking around the neighboring building with a gun, lol?"

officer2: "Yeah, I waved at him, somebody should make sure he's not here to shoot the president lol"

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

don't most people get in trouble for social texting on the job ?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Social? They were communicating potential dangers during a shift change. That's their job.