No booze or cigarettes, but guns are totally cool.
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Tobacco use isn't in the Constitution. Any state can have a drinking age of 18, perfectly legal. They just get their federal highway funds yanked.
So it's tough to tell someone, "Yeah, it's a right for other adults, just not you."
If I had my druthers, I'd raise the national age to 21 when brains are a good bit more developed.
2A even has the term "well regulated" in it.
They only care about the second half.
unless black people are owning guns then they'll be all for gun control.. like when the black panthers armed themselves.
unless black people are owning guns then they’ll be all for gun control
Red states tend to have some of the most free firearms laws in the country. And many of those states, particularly in the south, have large black populations. In fact, many of them have explicitly killed policies that were used to discriminate based on race, namely may-issue permitting laws.
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SCOTUS pretty much shit canned the first half on the 2A a long time ago. Can’t remember the case, but they basically said a “well regulated militia” could be anyone.
ETA: as someone else pointed out, the case was DC v Heller.
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I think sometimes about if cars were a thing when the bill of rights was written, they might've had an amendment like "travel, being important to a free state, the right to drive an automobile shall not be infringed "
And then we'd have all sorts of problems where like six year olds would be driving , blind people would be driving, you wouldn't have any safety standards or environmental standards, etc etc etc. And people would be jerking themselves raw about how it's great , that freedom is great, they love when their car explodes.
And then we'd have all sorts of problems where like six year olds would be driving , blind people would be driving, you wouldn't have any safety standards or environmental standards, etc etc etc. And people would be jerking themselves raw about how it's great , that freedom is great, they love when their car explodes.
I have no agenda here. I just thought your comment was comical and then I saw all of these:
6 year olds… 😬
Blind… 😬
Car explodes… 😬
18 for everything. "various levels of adulthood" need to go away. Either you're an adult or not.
Don't like it? Prove you actually believe what you say you do and work to raise the draft age to 21.
18 is to young to be considered an adult. I think 21 is more fitting but we don't mentally mature until late 20s.
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-7-things-to-know
At the same time we're capable of adult level actions earlier than 18. We regularly have children, kill people, drive, have jobs, have bank accounts, make life altering decisions about sports and school credits... etc.
The argument for lowering the age of majority is far stronger than the argument for raising it.
It is a complicated subject. Medical decisions and voting is something that should be a lower age. However, there is a massive list that should not be pushed on younger people.
My point is adulthood comes for us whether the government wants it to or not. The list of things we do as teenagers that are adulting is far larger than the list of things we are mandated to wait for.
I understand that my point is the government should protect that class of people instead of exploiting. I think we both agree it is not good either way. It's just another way we are failing younger people.
Well tbh if we send them to war to die why are we limiting their constitutional rights?
If 21 is the new age of adulthood, then society should start acting like it instead of doing this selective circle jerk. Otherwise, such regulations have no legal leg to stand on.
I agree with you. But, that's not how things work.
We've neglected public education and mental health for roughly forty years. The establishment wants a complete monopoly on violence. And, laws are only enforced when convenient for the ruling class. The state has caused an issue - stupid unstable people with guns - and will now use it as an excuse to further monopolize use of violence as a means.
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This is good. Now do the same with alcohol. You can be forced to die in a war at 18 but can't drink and enjoy the full rights of an adult citizen.
Well, pretty sure we've got an amendment for that so that'll take a bit more effort.
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I immediately thought the same thing, but unfortunately there’s no constitutionally guaranteed right to alcohol.
Yet.
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But what about StATeS RiGhTs???!!
Only Americans can be so retarded to find something like unconstitutional. What a dumb country.
Damn, guess I should've chosen to be born somewhere else. Rookie mistake
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Meanwhile, the gun rights group Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, which was among the organizations that challenged the law, cheered the decision.
“This is a resounding victory for 18-20-year-old adults who wish to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms,” Bryan Strawser, the group’s chairman, said in a statement.
Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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