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[–] [email protected] 230 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Who ever thought punk was not progressive? At minimum it was blatantly anti-authoritarian and counter to the conservative culture in Thatcher's UK and Reagan's US. Why would anyone be shocked to find out that it was also pro-choice, feminist, and anti-discriminatory?

[–] [email protected] 148 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Because the Nazi skinheads did a great job of co-opting the punk title for most people who weren't actually interested in punk. The news media were very complicit in pushing that specific image to undermine the punk movement to the general public.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago (8 children)

That's new to me. Where I live, punks and skinheads are natural enemies

[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Like skinheads and goths, or skinheads and greasers, or skinheads and other skinheads

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Labor skinheads and neonazi skinheads.

I was so sad when I discovered the Hammerskins were a thing (a White Power band inspired by Pink Floyd's Waiting For The Worms, but without the irony, with a corresponding militant movement). The Hammerskins took their logo:

From the Hammers banner from the movie version of Pink Floyd's The Wall

Which means when I reference the Hammers in parody of white power movements, I risk being associated with an actual white power movement.

If they had balls, they'd call themselves The Worms.

<looking up to make sure The Worms isn't a social movement yet>

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's true everywhere. The issue isn't what they are, the issue is how they were deliberately misrepresented. A whole lot of films and shows made it a point to conflate punks with white supremacists.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's got a great ring to it!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The Nazi skinheads co-opted skinhead. After the Geraldo Rivera episode everyone I knew let their hair grow out because they didn't want to be associated with that shit. Before that there were only a few isolated scenes where you'd see Nazi skinheads. Cutting off your hair was popular in the hardcore punk scenes because it was contrary to the long feathered hair popular in the 70's and 80's plus it was a lot easier than trying to get a Mohawk to stand up straight. That took a whole can of hairspray and we were all broke.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Because the Nazi skinheads did a great job of co-opting the punk title

Nah. They tried REAL hard to infiltrate and take over, but real punks always managed to repel them.

for most people who weren't actually interested in punk

And/or were just old fogies.

The news media were very complicit in pushing that specific image to undermine the punk movement to the general public.

Corporate news and undermining left wing people by conflating them with far right hate clubs. Name a more iconic duo.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The US government and coups in South America?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some people just like the music and are either bad at media analysis or don't care enough to look into to further than the surface level.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

Like Paul Ryan loving Rage Against The Machine.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Because the right have been carefully spending decades rewriting history and dumbfucks keep falling for it. Punk, doctor who and ratm were never conservative but pundits will tell you at great length how shocked and appalled they are when these things keep being left af

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I mean a pretty popular punk song is NOFX Ronnie and Mags. It just talks incredible shit about Regan and thatcher. Listen to NOFX Jesusland and that should indicate what it’s all about. Damn I love punk.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Some people are weird.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Obligatory "Nazi punks fuck off"

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Right hated Rock and Roll back in the 1950s because you had white kids listening to dangerous 'race music.'

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Same with rap in the 90-00s and even still to this day to some extent.

And I’m pretty damned sure some moderate liberals were wrapped up in it as well. It is America after all, where everyone’s a judgmental bigot.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The stickers on albums about parental guidance is absolutely moderate liberals being jackasses

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 months ago (6 children)

It's crazy how like delusioned people are Like punk is all about punching Nazis and Star wars has always been political The empire is basically a Nazi analog

Like come on man

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Basically what happened is some people started to pretend good art has absolutely no politics in it, except they decided what constitutes as politics, usually giving free pass to the "offensive humor" types like South Park and iDubbz.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Don't know about the Nazi analogy, but in the original Book (The adventures of Luke Skywalker) on which the original movies are based, the emperor is literally described as being Nixon.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

the emperor is literally described as being Nixon.

Now strike me down in your hate and anger. Aroooo!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You’re kidding, right? They’re literally called stormtroopers

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Star Trek has gone woke is the one that gets me. Let That Be Your Last Battlefield was not subtle and by the time of Far Beyond the Stars they weren't bothering with analogs.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

TNG had an episode centered on discrimination of non-typical gender identity and conversion therapy over 30 years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

The Empire is America, the rebels were the Vietcong. Lucas has said this specifically in multiple interviews. The Nazis helped with the uniforms, but The Empire is directly based on Wilsonian Doctrine.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I love seeing stuff like this, but I absolutely HATE that we are all still fighting for these rights and such basic shit is not long since codified into law. What the fuck.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As long as conservatives continue to breathe the air of the living, there will be oppression.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Another picture:

And a better shot of the yellow pin, since it's at a weird angle:

A yellow pin reading "Keep the feds out of our beds".

Link to the music video in which the jacket appears (albeit without the pins).

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago

She rocked the pink and black equally well.

Thanks for the yellow pin picture. Surprisingly few direct matches for that phrase. Harvard has record of a shirt of the same design:

That music video rocks!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

God DAMN does Noel Fielding pull off the Joan Jett look.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 months ago (3 children)

My favourite is when conservatives complain that Rage Against The Machine has gotten too political.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (5 children)

If you want a good laugh, ask a boomer what woke means, they have no idea

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

"Is the woke in the room with us right now?"

"Point on this dolly where the woke hurt you."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

"Point on the gender neutral dolly where the woke hurt you"

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Brought to you by the people that think Star Trek is too woke these days.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

WOKENESS? In MY Utopian Space-Communist future!?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Special thanks to Discovery for putting the Gay front and center in the Fully-Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism of Star Trek.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's only six pieces of flair.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

conservatives and reactionaries either want to keep the status quo or regress, but they know the concept is super uncool so they have to do all these mental gymnastics to pretend progressives are the ones in charge (just by the virtue of slow progress through the decades) so by being regressive they're actually part of an anti-establishment subculture. it's wild, but you can't be conservative without seeing the world upside down so it tracks in a sense.

that's why some of them like bands like rage against the machine, not realizing they are the machine the band is talking about.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I kinda felt bad when Paul Ryan said his favorite was Rage and they dissed him of course. Would stink to have your favorite band literally hate you.

Was also like bruh how are you processing these lyrics???

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

you felt bad cause you have this thing called empathy, which Paul Ryan demonstrably lacks. fuck him and everyone around him.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They are so woke, their wokeness needs to be in a fucking museum!

It's almost as if they don't give a damn about their bad reputation.

Also, there is a need for this Video in this thread.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

Reminds me of a video of conservative rage fans learning that rage is progressive.

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