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If Reddit were to revert it's changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn't the first break. Big social is having problems, it's the natural course of things.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

This is a great point!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For me, they'd have to

  1. Replace /u/spez
  2. Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
  3. Open-source significant parts of their platform.

I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Not recently... I'm just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.

Of course, there will be people who just don't care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don't care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don't moderate any subreddits, and don't follow the Internet news.

I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Not just that, they also announced their intent to turn reddit into an even more ad-infested hellhole: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

This is the future of reddit in the official app everyone: https://www.redditinc.com/assets/images/site/image2.gif

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Link? That's not good news :/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I think that's from his AMA response

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wouldn't care. The irreversable damage is done.

Reddit's handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO's AMA pretty much ignored all API change criticism (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo's developer threatening them.... They've shown their real colours.

I don't want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else now. I used Reddit for over a decade and they've eradicated my trust in a few days. Even if they reverse the decision, it'd be a PR move to temporarily save their sinking reputation. They clearly don't care about moderators, users or anyone who actually makes Resdit the place it is (whilst begrudgenly adding bare minimum app exceptions for blind users becsuse they legally have to).

Its a shame, but at the same time I'm excited to see where things go from here. Reddit's always had a bit of a quality control problem due to sheer size. Maybe the mass exodus will lead to an alternative community discussion platform with a smaller, more refined, engaged userbase.

I'm actually excited to see where things go from here to be honest. Maybe Reddit will become a home of pointless content like memes whilst deeper discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that'd be better, actually.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

They've already posted that they're going to "double down" on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Personally, I don't see myself going back. I'll just chill with my new community here.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I already like the community here more

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don't go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say "oopsie." It don't work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It wouldn't matter at all, because it's just a matter of time before they implement such features and don't back down.

They'll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn't enormous if they go this route.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I've fully committed to replacing reddit in my life, I'm trying to be active here and pointing people to Lemmy when I can. Reddit has made it clear they dont care about users. they get content for free, moderation for free, etc. They pissed on their base and deserve a mass exodus. I just hope people follow through.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I will admit that I'd keep RiF on my phone just to doomscroll in airports and whatnot. Though I think I'm going to stop my desktop use (90% of my use) of Reddit regardless. The writing is on the wall for old.reddit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my β€œsocial media”

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I don't think I'll go back except for niche content/communities I don't expect to see here for a while.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I don't trust Reddit any more. I made a comment elsewhere about why.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can't trust the platform given his track record.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reddit is absolutely, 100% certainly not going to step back on these change. They've made up their mind long ago.

But just for the hypothetical: I think they lost a LOT of trust with the two most essential parts of the community - users and mods. Also the company (or rather, its CEO) may have taken significant image damage due to the "AMA" spez did.

I think business will go on as usual, but the decline will be more and more noticable over time. It will go the way of Digg. Unless of course reddit decides to hire moderation themselves. But we all know they probably wont want do do that. The course seems set to selling the data they have already accumulated.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I've overwritten and deleted all my comments and posts and nuked my account. This is my new home.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Reddit showed their hand and I'm just done with all these corpos. Reddit is my last hold out and I'm slowly leaving that too. I'm moving to the decentralized FOSS future that I believe in where we the people have the power.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I don't intend to go back nearly as much as before, even if the changes are reverted (unlikely, imo). A lot of the aspects of Reddit that I didn't like - but tolerated - are generally not found here, at least so far. While Lemmy still leaves things to be desired, it just feels better to engage with.

However, I may still add " reddit" to the end of a search query to avoid all the bloat articles that crop up in a search. There's still a wealth of useful information on Reddit from all those years for even the most niche questions / topics.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Lemmy reminds me of early Reddit and I like that. The mask is all the way off now. Reddit was pretty fun 10+ years ago but that time has come and gone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Lemmy. I actually kinda prefer this to reddit, content feels much more "local" and since I can't spend hours scrolling through it, it doesn't make me a mindless soul just being fed infornation. Also I already deleted my reddit account lol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Nothing could convince me to go back, we need decentralization.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've wanted to leave since the old shitredditsays days, but back then there weren't any good alternatives (especially after Tumblr was acquired by Yahoo) so I stayed out of a lack of alternatives.

The blackout is just the brd finally coming to free us from the hellsite. I will never return.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

use both lemmy and reddit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

The last time reddit pulled some shit, I found tildes and expanded the sites I visited regularly/ semi-regularly (and reducing how much time I spent on reddit). Reddit reverting the latest changes will only minimize the damage on my end, as I'll be spending time here that I could otherwise be spending over there.

This stunt reduced the already diminished trust I have for reddit. Having migrated to reddit due to the digg v4 fiasco, over the years, reddit's decisions have been like digg v4 in slow motion. Each fuckup just causes me to further reduce the amount of time I spend using the site. One of these days, they'll cross too many of my red lines, and reddit will become completely useless to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

They have already tipped their hand and shown that money is what they are actively after. My trust is gone. If they were to revert changes at this point, I would simply read that as "We have delayed our plan until we come up with something else."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I prefer the smaller crowd here. Reddit just feels like a mall these days. Between all the bullshit, tencent, ads and assholes, I’m not looking back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm seeing how things play out.

I certainly like Lemmy and I could very well use both for a while. I'm mostly worried my favorite subs (especially my local City sub) won't migrate or be an active enough group here. Time will tell. I want to follow the community, not the platform.

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