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[–] [email protected] 304 points 2 months ago (8 children)

the literary equivalent of:

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[–] [email protected] 172 points 2 months ago (18 children)

So they're ruining the original artistic vision, dumbing down literature despite existing whithin the greatest age of information, all while possibly ruining the original message and meanings of the book. Tech bros need to walk outside, touch grass, feel the warmth of the sun on their skin, and maybe try talking to an actual human for once in their life.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm proud of my demon spawn

She's a tech savvy electrical engineer who spends her working hours mucking about with semiconductors.

When she's not at work, which seems to be pretty much all day every day, she's out on remote hiking trails with primitive camping gear.

From this old man's perspective, she's living the ideal balanced life.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Computer engineer here. I’m similar, spend a lot of my time mucking w/ semiconductors & such at work - I wouldn’t quite say CompEs and EEs are “tech bros” though. Tech savvy? Sure! But tech bros I like to think are the people who are more interested in monetizing tech than actually knowing how to use it.

That said, I most certainly consider myself a demon spawn.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I dunno - if A.I. is suggesting tech bros launch themselves into the sun, I could maybe get behind it.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Wow it’s like they’re actively trying to make people dumber and not even hiding it anymore

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You don't needs smarts anymore. We have calculators and AI.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But that's not the great Gatsby that's the ok Gatsby

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Reduce teen literacy levels with this one easy step!!! Teachers hate it!!!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Did you mean “BADDEN YOUNG READNESS CHEAP!”

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I love that they picked a book that is 90% nuance and symbolism for a tool that destroys nuance and symbolism...it's like claymation Shakespeare celebrity death match.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago (10 children)

That was a "hard book"? I fear for future of humanity.

[–] foo 24 points 2 months ago (34 children)

Mate I've taught more than a thousand students and the level of engagement on reading ... Anything ... Is depressingly low.

I asked my students to read a chapter of a book over a term. We would read a section every week and Monday would be a reading group where we would discuss what we read and then present our groups findings. Each section was 10 to 20 pages. About 10% of the student body would read anything.

It made me sad

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"It was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair”. 

Becomes.... "Things were confusing"

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (24 children)

Turn HARD books into EASY books by learning what words mean!

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

Fuck it downvote me for having the wrong opinion but I am okay with this existing. Looking at the full feature list it has additional vocabulary learning tools and the reading level is scalable which might make this a hugely helpful tool for new or very young language learners.

CliffsNotes already exists, yes, but summaries are different from paraphrasing, and it is very hit or miss with the accuracy of its summaries which usually have terrible grammar and writing quality anyway, making it awful for most English learners’ applications.

Don’t like it? Don’t download it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't have a problem with simplified versions of texts -- archaic language, ornamented prose, and obsolete cultural references shouldn't stand in the way of someone having access to the ideas contained in great literature. But I like it when people do the simplifying--like "Reader's Digest" versions, or Cliff's Notes, or whatever. It's a skilled profession that already doesn't get the credit it deserves, and I worry AI will eclipse human work with voluminous inferior results.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (15 children)

I think many of you are quite unfair to who this might help. As an adult with dyslexia and English as my second language, this would let me have an easier time getting through literature and experience the stories as the are, not how they are written. I get that nuances and details are being lost in the conversation.

But if I still enjoy the greater story, does it really have to matter to you how I or someone else enjoys our reading?

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

It is so important to take the artistic out of art. Especially right now when shitgasming AI is spaffing out content with no artistic value whatsoever!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Running the king james bible through this

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (19 children)

Yeah, this is fucking bullshit, but it's not like Cliff's notes haven't been a thing for a long time. This is just another way for someone being forced to read something to slack off. No one who actually wants to read the book would ever consider this.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why expand your vocabulary! Who needs to not only communicate more effectively but potentially even expressing more intangible feelings and experiences while communicating.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

"Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick” -Kevin Malone

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is actually a good thing. I know people who don't have the greatest grasp on English and would never try to read books with difficult (or older English) language. An easier to read version of classics could open up a new world for them.

Now I guess believing the AI will do it well is another conversation altogether.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

This becomes problematic if young people who might be wise in one of their futures start reading this shit instead of real books. This is already happening due to social media.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Isn't this already a thing? Like re-writing older vernacular English works in modern English?

But also, Gatsby is hardly old English. The sentence pre "simplifying" is just longer. There's still some people who would enjoy or benefit from that, I suppose. But AI is going to absolutely mangle the tone and the essence of the book in doing so. It's not just a matter of reducing word count, or at that point your book will increasingly become a summary of itself.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Stupid AI bitch couldn’t even make I more smarter

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

There are books that are too hard for me. I get that and I’m comfortable with it. Anything above short story length from James Joyce or William Faulkner is simply beyond my abilities and not enjoyable to me. It is fine; I don’t read them.

(1) I would obviously never in a million years decide that the answer was for someone or some bot with no literary abilities whatsoever to pre-chew it for me and spit it back up into my mouth like a big mama bird, and for me to choke down the resulting product (2) The Great Gatsby is not on that list my man. It has some deeper themes, allegedly, but that’s not a hard fuckin book. I suspect they just chose a “classic” book at random, unaware that the specific one they chose is a pretty easy and enjoyable read, because they have never read it, because they are to a man a bunch of un literary morons and thieves.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (14 children)

people will get even dumber

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Thats actually really good for people who have trouble reading anything above simple language and therefore can make books more accessible. A great way to use AI.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

i think ai for accessibility is good actually

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes, as everybody else has said, if you could make this produce graded readers you'd be onto a winner, but it would need to be limited to words from a frequency list. If they could get this to work for Chinese I'd be very happy, it would be amazing to be able to dial up the language complexity so you constantly maintained n+1 comprehensible input. The application they're hinting at here is a bit silly though.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

That’s what cliff notes are for. Explaining the background and context so you can better understand what you’re reading in, say, Hamlet.

Not just simplifying it and removing potentially relevant material.

For example in the example material:

  • They weren’t just younger. They were more vulnerable. That conveys a lot of meaning. Even the word “more” implies a current vulnerability.

  • Advice isn’t just something told or conveyed. It’s something given for the benefit of the recipient. I told my child to get milk isn’t the same as giving them advice about drinking milk that’s set out.

  • Turning over in my mind ever since -> I still think about is the closest it got to being right. Even then, though, turning over conveys a more meditation/consideration than just thinking about something.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

AIdiocracy

/my kingdom for a serif

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (7 children)

How is the first sentence hard? Is the next generation really that dense?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (14 children)

All right all right, I get why this is kind of funny and perhaps it's potentially a bad sign for humanity.

But consider an adult who's learning the English language and is still at a basic level. If they want reading practice, they are often stuck with kids books. This would make practice a lot more interesting.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

It now reads like a 4th grader ~~diarrhoea~~ diary

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (45 children)

Now do Finnegans Wake.

Hard: And an odd time she’d cook him up blooms of fisk and lay to his heartsfoot her meddery eygs, yayis, and staynish beacons on toasc and a cupenhave so weeshywashy of Greenland’s tay or a dzoupgan of Kaffue mokau an sable or Sikiang sukry or his ale of ferns in trueart pewter and a shinkobread (hamjambo, bana?) for to plaise that man hog stay his stomicker till her pyrraknees shrunk to nutmeg graters while her togglejoints shuck with goyt and as rash as she’d russ with her peakload of vivers up on her sieve (metauwero rage it swales and rieses) my hardey Hek he’d kast them frome him, with a stour of scorn, as much as to say you sow and you sozh, and if he didn’t peg the platteau on her tawe, believe you me, she was safe enough.

Easy: Something something... crash

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Hey Orwell look, someone finally implemented the newspeak you loved so much in 1984 !

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (9 children)

On first thought this seems like its such a weird usecase for AI. However, I don't actually think its completely useless, turning more complex books into children's books while maintaining their lessons and ideas is pretty interesting. And that is something that LLMs can realistically also achieve, not just hype bullshit. Getting grade schoolers to read Nietzsche and them actually understanding something, is a very fun thought to me. I don't think this will have any impact on the reading comprehension of teenagers or above. Those that can't handle the original text, aren't going to read the simplified one. But getting young children acquainted with "grown up" books and their topics and ideas could be a good thing. When its not just about the rabbit in the mushroom house etc. It might even encourage the parent to (re)read the book with the child together, one the original and one the simplified version. Also useful for illiterate persons learning to read, as reading children's books can be uncomfortable for an adult.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

I'm so looking forward to all of my Newspeak translations. Thanks! drinks bleach

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Maximise your reading potential! Avoid difficult words!"

(Why didn't they use "hard" instead of "difficult", I wonder. "Difficult" seems such a long and difficult word for people who are looking to 'maximise their reading potential.')

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

why waste say lot word when few word do trick

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