according to leading bookmakers.
Oh for fuck's sake, can we please get one post-debate article that isn't highly partisan or just moronic?
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That would involve having a media environment that isn't controlled by billionaires who are highly involved in manufacturing consent for regressive policies.
And just pulling in revenues with clickbaity tactics.
I mean the betting markets are generally aligned with extravagant statistical prediction models.
After all these markets have hundreds of millions poured into them, and people are trying to win not loose. Obviously there are still problems with them, and that headline really should have included “according to bookmakers”.
Are you sure about that?
If I make a $10,000,000 bet in one direction to change the betting odds to make everyone think my viewpoint is more popular, that's a very cheap marketing campaign.
Even if I lose all that money, it's good marketing. Especially if I'm manipulating less popular topics with less $$$$ needed to change the odds.
that’ll only change the odds on a single bookmaker. There are thousands on the election.
Also it’s highly illegal to bet on an event you are part of (although that doesn’t seem to stop trump from doing other things).
Additionally, to sway public opinion, influencing pollsters and the media (which we have objective proof of camapigns doing) is more effective. although they were mentioned in this article, they’ll be mentioned a lot less than polls.
Also it’s highly illegal to bet on an event you are part of (although that doesn’t seem to stop trump from doing other things).
Illegal to who?
FBI? Or some poor IT administrator who gives no shits about this issue?
Additionally, to sway public opinion, influencing pollsters
You're using the fucking betting market as a poll. A system that is innately, and provably, influenced by money. Not even indirectly, but DIRECTLY influenced by money.
Then you paper over this fact by saying "but people want to make money", ignoring the fact that these campaigns are literally spending $100,000,000+ sums, losing money throughout a whole campaign to try to change public opinion by about 5%.
Troublingly, the electorate rather resembles the coverage: highly partisan or just moronic.
Why not both?
No. Reactionary horseshit is all you've got coming.
The frightening realisation to take away is that most people don’t have a visceral horror of fascism in the way that progressives on Mastodon do. Which makes sense: if fascism was regarded with widespread revulsion, the Trumps and Orbans and Netanyahus of this world would be as successful as someone running a dogshit sandwich stall at the local market.
You are totally right.
Fascism appeals to humanity's most basic impulses and fascists will therefore always be a threat to democracy.
People crave the strong, authoritarian leader who will protect them from danger.
The frightening realisation to take away is that most people don’t have a visceral horror of fascism in the way that progressives on Mastodon do.
Oh, don't worry. Many of the people on the Fediverse don't have a visceral horror of fascism either. To them it's "Both sides are fascist" because otherwise they might feel uncomfortable letting Trump win, and wouldn't feeling uncomfortable about that just be awful.
I would vote for a walking corpse over a fascist like trump.
Thanks to the DNC you are required to make this choice
Honestly doesn't even need to be walking. You could absolutely Weekend at Bernies him in a very obvious way and I'd still prefer him over trump
Bidens your guy then
Or maybe it was Trump who lost the debate and his chances are worse afterwards? Who knows definitely not fucking Newsweek or CNN or Fox or anybody for that matter.
I do know that Trump is a fucking criminal and a human trash pos. So a lot of people won’t be voting for whatever that pile of shit is.
Everyone from Jon Stewart to Pod Save America recognize Biden had one of the worst debate performances in history. Focus groups of undecided voters who watched said Biden lost.
Let's stay in reality and face the facts. Let's not stoop to maga alt-reality.
Instead let's just fix the issue at hand, assuage the concerns of voters, and improve our odds of beating Trump. Because there is no good data to support a Biden victory.
It’s funny to see the blue maga folks try to frame this as a failure of progressives.
Or somehow try to say that Biden somehow had good talking points in between the times he was mumbling or completely losing his train of thought.
Did you not watch? I saw every second and it was disastrous for Biden.
So a lot of people won’t be voting for whatever that pile of shit is.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
I fucking hate republicans and will vote D no matter what (check my comment history). That was an abysmal performance on biden’s part. Appearances really fucking matter in this age of the mindless, post-facts voter. Biden needs to GTFO.
They have you trained well
Go suck some russian dicks.
He shit the bed but this is blatant bait. There hasn’t even been time to poll this, and those would be limited in value regardless.
Again, terrible performance. But this headline is nonsense.
Best case scenario at this point is one of them croaks before November. It's insane to me that Biden even contemplated a second term, when the whole point of picking Kamala Harris as his VP was so she could be the young fit successor. It's time to roll out plan B, guys.
Thank God. I'd much rather a strong libertarian than either of the candidates. But since that's not going to happen, I have to pick the less of two evils.