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I feel like if this guy can be given a raw deal (pardon the pun) because of the emergency circumstances of a forest fire then the same should go for religious dietary "restrictions."
Your choice of god(s) should not impose an extra burden on the rest of the emergency response infrastructure. Accommodate everyone or no one.
Agreed, everyone’s beliefs should be taken seriously or not.
It shouldn’t matter if it is a smaller religion or a personal belief.
I wonder if the case would’ve ended differently if the man was a Jain who was lactose intolerant.
Yeah this case was a good step but obviously there’s a lot of room for improvement
The case specifically wasn't a good step. This is giving religion additional powers and privileges compared to non-religious beliefs.
It said if you say that you don't eat meat because [any reason that doesn't involve a magical immortal being] they won't accommodate, but they would need to accommodate for religion.
Accommodate everyone, or accommodate no one.
That’s why more needs to be done
In Canada you’re free to have beliefs in private, not public
There shouldn’t be religious accommodations
This man deserves support as he sacrificed his health to keep us safe from fires.
Edit: I'm going to link some studies
2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.
1,000 gallons of water are required to produce 1 gallon of milk.
those water figures are impossible to track down. can you provide an actual study?
I hate the "gallons of water are used" statistics because water is a completely renewable resource if managed properly, and mostly it's managed properly these days since we realized it was a problem if we didn't.
What exactly do you plan to use the extra water for if we stop using it for beef? Most if it is used to water the feed crops that cows eat, so what do you plan to use those farms for instead?
Is there a plant that grows in those same areas that's currently too expensive because of a lack of land? Most of the expensive fruits/vegetables these days are expensive because of the labour involved in harvesting/processing them not due to a lack of cheaper land.
The feed is often enough in places like the American west where water is sarce and shouldn't have been drawn in the first place
Feed crops like alfalfa are some of the most water intensive crops to grow on that land
and yet it's the most profitable plant to grow on that land, or the farmers would be growing something else.
Kinda makes you think there aren't any other better options...
That's very circular logic. It's only profitable because the beef and dairy industry. There are other crops grown in those areas too
Because of pollutants, forever chemicals, and other drains in the water table fresh water is cinsidered a limited resource.
The links are full of crap. You need 0 pounds of water to produce a pound of beef.
First I'm hearing about this. What do you mean?
I think they fundamentally misunderstand. There's no way that they're claiming you can raise a herd of cattle or any animal without ever giving them access to water.
Support, sure, but if you choose to take a job that requires employer supplied food you really shouldn't be surprised when they don't serve your custom menu. The employer probably provides two or three different options each meal to satisfy basic allergy/food preferences and that's a reasonable accommodation.
What if I started a diet that only allowed me to eat wagyu beef garnished with saffron twice a week? Would they have to pay $400 a day to feed me as long as I could prove I eat that for "creed" reasons?
That is a strawman.
He didn’t ask for anything special like “$400 wagyu beef garnished with saffron twice a week” nope nothing fancy at all
All he wanted was something simple to keep his energy going such as rice, beans and vegetables.
"Nothing fancy at all" What's the legal definition between fancy or not?
It costs more money to hire people to cook an entirely different meal. It costs more money to buy small quantities of different foods. It costs more money to import fresh products into forest fire zones. Some vegans won't even eat from plates/cups/cutlery/pans/chopping boards that have had animal products touch them. That would add even more cost.
Should there be a dollar limit on what is considered fancy?
In Canada, even for protected classes, you're only entitled to reasonable accommodations by employers. For example if you're blind (a medical condition is a protected class) a taxi company doesn't have to hire and accommodate you. If you're deaf, a call center doesn't have to provide you with a sign language translator who listens to your customers.
I'm not vegan and don't care for it, but this is wrong. "You'll eat what I put on your plate" is reserved for parents. It's not for manipulating employees who's terms are with capital.
Veganism is an opinion or philosophy, it does not come from any doctrinal teachings with historical writings to count as a belief system on the same level as someone who can only eat certified kosher food.
Being vegan is recent fad or trendy thing from the perspective of world history. Nutritionally, veganism is not healthy without an extensive amount of supplements. Before corporations could manufacture suppliments, everybody needed to eat a few animal products for basic health. In there West though, there is definitely way too much consumption of meat but pescatarian is very healthy.
Being vegan is recent fad or trendy thing from the perspective of world history.
This tells everything about your knowledge about the subject.
it's correct so i don't know what your comment means.
There is long history of veganism and you chose to ignore it.
no, there isn't. it's a term coined in the 1940s in colonialist Britain.
B12 is not an "extensive amount of supplements". Furthermore your average contemporary nonvegan likely consumes way more supplements than a vegan just indirectly through livestock feed, including B12. Even ignoring the "animal" sources though, people these days consume a lot of supplements from cereals, energy drinks, table salt, and more. I'm not sure why relying on supplements would even be a gotcha in the first place though.
Furthermore I'm not sure why it would matter that there exist healthy diets that include meat, like you said a mostly plant foods diet but including some fish. If anything that reinforces that there are other reasons for people abstaining entirely from animal foods. Veganism is way more than a diet, it is an ethical stance, and extends to far more than what we eat. It just so happens that what we eat leads to some of the most egregious abuses and also butts heads with culture because what we eat and what others eat is so important to us as humans. That's why the way vegans choose to eat gets so much attention.
Livestock feed is just grass. Just like 1,000 years ago.
Even so called "grass fed" cows aren't 100% grass fed.
Of course they are. Why would a farmer pay for food when the grass is free? Unless they're Americans...
Being vegan is recent fad or trendy thing from the perspective of world history.
Abstaining from animal products has been a thing for at least a couple centuries (see al-Ma'arri)
Nutritionally, veganism is not healthy without an extensive amount of supplements.
The only supplement you must absolutely take on a vegan diet is vitamin B12. The source of vitamin B12 in omnivore diets is also supplements, albeit given to the animals raised for slaughter rather than taken directly. Supplementing omega-3 is also highly recommended for vegans. The other ones you'll hear mentioned are vitamin D3 and iodine, with both of which many foods are fortified since most people, including those who eat an omnivorous diet, don't get enough of these through their food. This is hardly what I'd call "an extensive amount of supplements". I've been vegan for 7 years and the only supplements I take are B12, as well as vitamin D during the winter months since I live in a northern area.
Veganism is an opinion or philosophy, it does not come from any doctrinal teachings with historical writings to count as a belief system on the same level as someone who can only eat certified kosher food.
I agree, a person's carefully thought-out ethical decisions about what they consume are different from someone doing something because an old book tells them to.
The only supplement you must absolutely take on a vegan diet is vitamin B12.
you're not a nutritionist. ok, i'm assuming that. but i know you're not my nutritionist and it's highly unlikely you're a nutritionist for anyone here. please do not tell people what their dietary needs are.
You're completely right, I am not a nutritionist, and honestly I'd truly hope no one takes their nutrition advice from strangers on Lemmy. Next time I'll add a disclaimer though, that's a fair enough point.
That being said, I've been vegan for over 7 years, supplementing only B12 (and D during the winter) and I'm not dead yet.
So if B12 is only available by supplements one way or another. How did we survive before supplements?
Looking it up ruminants produce it naturally so wouldn’t say we get it cause cows are getting shots.
It doesn't only come from supplements, but it's how most people get it these days. Livestock aren't sticking their faces in wild dirt and flora very much, so most need supplements. Also even with livestock being given supplements there is a surprising amount of B12 deficiency in the omnivore population, arguably more should be supplementing.
We ate a lot more meat. The modern American diet pyramid puts plant matter at the base, while historically meat was at the base. The longest living and healthiest populations today eat a lot of meat, up to 99% of their diet.
What do you mean by this? Do you mean like the people living in the so called Blue Zones?
Eat mostly plants, especially beans. And eat meat rarely, in small portions of 3 to 4 ounces. Blue Zoners eat portions this size just five times a month, on average.
Gotta love that vegan propaganda! Have you ever seen Ikaria? They don't grow shit there as the island is just one big mountain. Their main food is sea food and dairy. And stop with Okinawa already! It has been debunked by Okinawans themselves - their main food is pork. Okinawa is the biggest consumer of pork in the whole of Japan.