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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science.

  • Alexander Stephens, vice president of the Confederate States of America

This is the "heritage" that they value.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

We were not taught this speech or exposed to this in our desegregated (as of 1965) classrooms in my public schools (70s and 80s). I was in "honors" history in the 80s and stuff like this would be skipped over or minimized.

The actual teaching of events is covered quickly and on easily tested facts/dates. There were no in depth ethical debates about why any of it happened. If a student tried, this would last at most a few minutes of of the school year on that subject.

Sometimes that's enough to get someone into the library or asking questions outside of school. But most students during this time have and had no idea who the Confederate VP was, let alone what he said.

BUT - there are people (white supremacists) who are proud of the Stephens heritage. Nowadays they say quiet parts out loud (Internet helped with that) when they used to save that for special occasions.

The one I met in the early 90s claimed the klan was like the NAACP for white people. I shit you not he claimed they were not against Other People having rights, just making sure white folk didn't lose rights in the process. This scared me a lot because it was, excuse the pun, whitewashing their murderous history to make it easier to recruit.

Tl;dr; My point is that you are correct, but also somewhat wrong in that for 80% of us that wasn't what we learned - we barely were taught anything. It was mostly treated in real life like rival football teams. (At least, if you were white and not getting a daily dose of racism) The ones that were taught this stuff, it was coming from specific groups not public classrooms.

Even shorter tl;dr; - there's a lot of cognitive dissonance and not a lot of actual education.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I love telling them that the eight years of the Obama administration was almost twice as long as the lifetime of the Confederacy, making it a much bigger part of their heritage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Heritage" lmao

Americans are funny

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

“Heritage” lmao

It's even funnier when I hear that in my neck of the woods - it's like these idiots don't understand why there's a West Virginia or why a new state right on the Mason-Dixon line might have been formed in the middle of the country in 1863. Like for fucks sake, we literally became a state to avoid joining the Confederacy, how the fuck is a Confederate flag part of our heritage?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I don't know if you guys know this or not.. but there are Blacks in Southern, especially Southeastern region of the U.S., who fly Confederate flags. Before you downvote me assuming I'm full of it, just Google it..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel like you think you've made a point, but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My understanding is that there are people who believe that the very image of the Confederate flag is exclusively racist (represents White segregationists), however it's technically not. Unless people are willing to go to the extreme of calling Black people, "self hating Blacks".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

however it’s technically not

Seems weird to die on this hill because a handful of black folks might be flying it for clearly different reasons than the white folks who claim "muh heritage" but you do you. I've got underwear that has lasted longer than the confederacy did, and as pointed out by OP, the Nazis lasted longer and did more, but no one tries to pass off flying their flag as heritage.

Edit - also stealing this quote from ZombiePirate:

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science.

-Alexander Stephens, vice president of the Confederate States of America

There's only one "heritage" associated with the confederacy by anyone not in denial, and that's it.

Do you also have a list of good reasons why it should be OK for you to say the N word in different contexts?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Hm... check this out: https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/photos-they-black-and-they-proud-the-confederate-flag/by06A6ywMrqi7mYP9A1jmO/

Appears to be heritage. Part of their history.

Just to be clear, I'm not "for or against" the Confederate flag. My ancestors came to the U.S. way after the civil war. Like mid 1900s..

I just wanted to point out that the Confederate flag is not exclusive to White segregationists... that there's Black men and women who also value that flag.

That's it, nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just wanted to point out that the Confederate flag is not exclusive to White segregationists… that there’s Black men and women who also value that flag.

Pointing out a vanishingly small exception isn't really doing anything except being contrarian.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm just trying to show the whole picture. Not the 4:3 but the 16:9.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Homie, you've added a single pixel to a 4k image.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Ohh... I like that. Take my upvote.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It does represent racist slavery and segregation.

Some black folks are trying to repurpose it, and I think that's doomed to failure.

A tiny number of exceptions don't change the fact that it has been a symbol of white supremacy since it's inception, and I'm pretty sure you understand that based on your racist and homophobic comments.

The modern world is pushing the bigots out, and it terrifies you.

Good.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just to be clear here, I'm not racist. That is, I don't look at someone's skin color, nationality, nor ethnicity and automatically make assumptions of them (unless you're lumping Zionists with Jews, which you'd be wrong in either case). Unlike those who are quick to use racial and gender slurs toward people who disagree with their views. For example what you did with me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Cry harder.

The modlogs are public, it's not a secret what you are: a reactionary who is scared of progress; afraid of losing control of the people you deem to be beneath you.

Boo fuckin' hoo.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know the mod logs are... but I'm not racist. If hating a political ideology makes me a bigot, lol okay fine by me. If pulling up statistics about a group makes me a bigot, once again, fine by me.. kill the messenger but the fact still remains.

Pssst... words don't make me cry. Sticks and stones... something you were never taught, it seems.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cry harder.

You're the saltiest reactionary since sodium and chlorine were first added to water.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

You keep telling me to cry harder but you're the one still making personal attacks and lol.. assumptions about who or what I am. Seems to me you're hurt because I wasn't shaped and molded the same way you were.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And there were Jews who supported Hitler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

"When they say they wanted to preserve slavery, they didn't mean someone like me" is essentially what they think. Similarly, those Jews thought "when they say they hate Jews, they don't mean me."

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Side note: There's a conspiracy that Zionists loved Hitler.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

TRUMP 2024 OR THE COUNTRYS SCREWED. BUT I SUPPOSE MOST YA WANT THAT.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Aged like fine wine. 🍷 😌 I'll wait a bit longer.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trolls just aren't what they used to be these days.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

There used to be actual effort. Guess shouting is the best he can do. Sad!