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Star Trek fans have held the national stereotype of being way too rabid about things for decades but theyβre probably the nicest fan base in all of science fiction and the one least likely to have a large faction of them absolutely lose it over a torpedo being fired by a woman or dumb shit like that
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anyone that tries to say star trek has "gone woke" or some stupid shit like that clearly isn't a fan of it and just trying to rile up stuff. I mean come on... how can someone say that and have watched the shows LOL
Yeah, its not like Star Trek suddenly went woke, its been woke. First ever TV kiss between mixed races was between Kirk and Uhura. Scandalous.
That's actually a common misconception. Not to downplay the significance of what Shatner and Nichols pulled off to get around the various censors (ruining alternate takes and such), but many TV shows did it before Star Trek.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television
Shatner is on that list multiple times. That man had an agenda.
I think it was the first one that was both broadcast nationally in a primetime slot and where the actors were easily identifiable as having different ethnicities on a tiny TV screen. Would explain the misconception.
I think it certainly was the most noticeable of anything shown on American TV at that point. But the British had us beat by years.
Not to mention the first black woman officer and the first black/white kiss.
the first black/white kiss.
...in a drama series. This was the first:
That's Lynn Fontanne kissing Sammy Davis, Jr. at the 1965 Emmys.
As far as the first interracial kiss, that does have a star trek connection- Desi kissing Lu in 1951.
On top of that, Shatner himsellf kissed France Nuyen on the Ed Sullivan show in 1958.
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2019/09/11/not-the-first-interracial-kiss-on-tv/
Kinda hard to be a bigot when your favorite show is about a egalitarian socialist utopia
And yet it still happens. There are right-wing bigots who watch Star Trek for the pew pew space battles and ignore the rest, sad as that may be.
They are not Trek fans, they are violence fans. They are not welcome.
I love Star Trek for the vision, the tech, the people and of course to hate Wesley. This is my utopia.
The funny thing is, unlike with most sci-fi, Starfleet usually only starts shooting as a last resort. They don't even notice that.
I have a theory:
Star Trek fans were some of the earlier cosplayers. Trekkies were wearing Starfleet uniforms and Vulcan ears to conventions decades before the word "cosplay" was a thing. My father has a book called the Starfleet Technical Manual published in the 70's that is basically an official guide for fans to build screen accurate costumes and props from, including sewing patterns for the various tunics and wrist-length dresses and a page of color swatches, plus dimensional drawings of tricorders, phasers and communicators.
And the public at large in the 1970s wasn't ready for that yet.
People were cosplaying Junge Werther in the 1800s, it's just a thing people do.
I have that book! It's super cool. It's themed as a document made by the military about information on the Federation that leaked into the past. 
There's also diagrams of space stations and ships, and small things, like how to properly decorate sleeves and badges for rank and division.
Hands up those old enough to remember the shitfest that erupted over Janeway (and/or Sisko)
I threw up the horns. It was nuts as a middle school girl, when Voyager first started airing, and everyone was so angry about Janeway and when I'd ask why they would turn red and shake their head, or change the topic.
The good old days, when sexist, racist, homophobes at least kept their mouths shut... Now they'd give you a speech about how she should be in the galley :(
It's true. It's not been a totally smooth ride. It's taken work to educate fellow fans, and making the intolerant unwelcome.
Like there was early "controversy" about Geordie getting to be on the bridge. Which seemed kind of logical, but if you scratched below the surface you'd see how selective that critique was. That it was just racism and ableism
I kinda lost it when Janeway fired more photon torpedos than the ship had upon entering the Delta quadrant. Where did she get the extra torpedoes?! She's a witch!
They figured a way to fabricate their own. Like the shuttles.
Head cannon is that 1/3 of voyager is taken up by a massive shuttle manufactory. It's never discussed but it must be there...Otherwise, none of this shit makes any sense.π¬
The lower decks should have done a joke about the three ensigns on Voyager who did nothing except build shuttles the entire seven years.
They could do it in the shuttle bay, they wouldn't need much more space than a finished shuttle takes up. We know they have shipboard replimats for larger things, I figure replicating and building standard shuttle models on long voyages has standardized procedures and steps like Lego instructions. You only need to replicate one piece at a time saving on space. Gotta replace your shuttles somehow on those 5 years missions and the nearest Starbase is months away.
I was always sad they never explored that sort of thing in an episode, didn't have to be as big as the Delta Flyer but still!
The entire Dune novel fanbase is also pretty decent. I like hanging out with him.
The Discworld fandom is another one you can't be in if you're an asshole because you clearly didn't understand the source material.
Also, sorry everyone, I was a Trekkie first and I will always come back to Star Trek, but the MST3K fan base is the nicest fan base. The only two bitter arguments I've ever seen the community devolve into was Joel vs. Mike (now very moot) and "I hate Crow's new lady voice" for the most recent season. Other than that, everyone is super nice to a fault. The MST3K forums is the friendliest forum I have ever been on.
Joel vs. Mike
Mike is a great writer but Joel by far has the better timing and delivery. Not to derail the thread or anything.
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Shit, if MST3K, Cinematic Titanic, and RiffTrax have taught me anything, it's you can't win 'em all, but you're always a winner when you're laughing with your friends
I'm out of the loop... What torpedo? What woman?
Maybe the recent controversy from Warhammer 40k where Games Workshop retconned women space marines into existence? I dunno, did Star Wars do something to trigger the sexists since then, that controversy is a few weeks old now.
I took it as a (mistaken) reference to the scene in The Last Jedi when Vice Admiral Holdo (Laura Dern) rams into a star destroyer in hyperspace, a maneuver which destroyed both ships and made people wonder why they didnβt just hyperspace into shit all the time instead of building warships and getting shot all the time.
It happened in the same point in the movie when she refuses multiple times to say that she has any plan whatsoever, leading to a lot of pointless fighting and was thought to have been some sort of commentary on βbelieving womenβ but very poorly executed.
Disney spent billions to destroy the Star Wars canon, but hopefully Trek can escape such a grisly fate.
Meanwhile us Battlestar Galactica fans are over in the corner wondering why no one talks to us
Completely agree.
If I would ever be in desperate need of help it would instantly comfort me to see a trekkie or a metalhead. The average wholesomeness is ridiculously high.
So you're saying Star Trek needs its own version of Jar Jar?
Jar Jar Abrams
Wait, but we already went crazy about a woman firing torpedoes. We went so crazy, we counted them.