OP, thanks for being the sacrificial lamb here. Now I know never to ask a question about Windows if I don't want to hear irrelevant opinions from Linux snobs. Sorry you didn't get a lot of real answers.
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I keep hoping that new sites will be better about this. And while I understand the reasons why this happens it still saddens me that it still does.
Lemmy as a platform is built on FOSS. There are going to be Linux/FOSS advocates all over here.
I say this as primarily a windows admin who recently started diving into Linux.
The "real answer" is that Windows 10 is supported until October 2024. You have until then to make your decision or switch to an alternative because after that, W10 won't be getting more updates and you risk running an unsecure system at that point.
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No, install linux
I upgraded 10 to 11 and really liked it. Problem with linux is all the commandline if you want to do advanced stuff.
Then i got a gpt-4 subscription and installed arch linux with hyperland. I aint looking back, everytime i use a windows system now it feels slow and prehistoric… sometimes though you get some weird problem you just don’t wanna deal with at the time and then its briefly booting into windows again.
Windows 11 is extremely spyware, even more so than previous windows versions.
I used to use Windows all the time, but now I only use it for gaming. It's kind of weird to me how many Microsoft apps there are for Linux now.
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Lol, you installed Arch Linux, with Hyperland, and the complained about how it requires CLI for advanced stuff?
Try Linux Mint or something simpler. At least pick a fair comparison for change.
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Hyprland - so a window manager? Sorry, don't use Linux so not sure what you're gaining.
How does GPT-4 help with Arch? Can it run commands in the console?
I'm heavily reliant on Photoshop and related Adobe software for work, so I'll have to stick with MacOS for now, but Linux sounds very tempting.
Incidentally, I use Magnet for window management, and it is the bee's knees, especially since I mapped out shortcuts for my preferred placements 😍
Also, Raycast is my homeboy ❤️
Hyperland is a windows manager yes because i have cognitive challenges that require visual sorting of information.
What i gain? Super sayan levels of fast. Productivity goes brrr. Completely customizable (really into that) and it looks and feels sweet AF. This is with the hyperdot configuration found here, check out the vid. https://github.com/prasanthrangan/hyprdots
GPT-4: it knows linux much much better then i do. I have no api so i cant just give the command box but stuff like: “provide easy to follow instructions and commands to set up x, y, z” wielded me way better result then trying the same stuff alone in linux before. I completely redid a server project i worked for more then a year on in less then a weekend. I also use it as a command cheatsheet because i suck at remembering commands and the answers on google are burried Between ads.
Photoshop: This was a worry of myself aswell, a friend send me this “https://github.com/Gictorbit/photoshopCClinux“ Havent tried yet but its not the only option either. As i said elsewhere you can often straight up run windows installed exes from a different drive using lutrius and proton.
I am gonna need to checkout Magnet and Raycast. They seem very promising for my job where i can only use Windows.
Good luck if you try it! (Maybe in a vm at first)
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In short, no.
In detail, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Honestly if you're ok with a little tinkering you can use Linux for gaming nowadays.
I fully switched about a week ago using NixOS, so far it's been pretty smooth sailing, and generally better performance than when it ran windows
Have run overwatch, diablo, modded Minecraft (with shaders) and a bunch of steam games so far.
Have yet to run epic games on it but I've heard it's pretty seamless with a launcher called heroic (which imo works better than epic's own one anyway)
Only games I've found that don't work are because of deliberate effort on the devs' part (Halo MCC, Roblox and dragon ball breakers)
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In my opinion, it is not. Even though the UI of W11 is great, the ux is terrible, full of distractions and shit you don't need.
If you don't want to fight against your system just use Windows 10 LTSC and run https://christitus.com/windows-tool/, https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 and https://rentry.co/properedgeuninstalling
Also remember to use a firewall, I personally recommend safing.io
Another option for a debloated, lighter windows 10/11 is ameliorated.io, but don't bother with it if you're not tech-savy/willing to learn stuff
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I like windows 11 better than 10. The UI is better (besides the basic start menu all apps thing) but, I'm just about done with microsoft I think... For the same reason I left reddit, I don't want to be a commodity. With all the telemetry that is undoubtedly being sent from my windows OS (even when disabling everything I can) it makes me uncomfortable (even with my pihole on my network).. Getting more and more comfortable with linux as a daily driver. For years, linux was always just those work computers I've dealt with but the more I want to get away from being a product. The more I realize linux is what I need.
I have Windows 11 on my notebook and Windows 10 on my gaming PC.
Please, for the love of god (or your precious sanity), use Windows 10. :D
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11 is better in my experience, I like that they added tabs to explorer and terminal
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The main difference will be if you have an Intel processor generation 10 or higher. The whole reason windows 11 was created is because Intel released their asymmetrical core architecture in the 10th generation processors.
One of the core parts of an operating system is the CPU scheduler. This is what juggles all the different things that are happening in the fore and background in order to make the computer work properly. On the surface the CPU scheduler is a rather simple function as far as reading and understanding the code, but it is the kind of thing that a tiny change can have massive repercussions in unexpected ways. It is designed to have a delicate balance that is very easy to screw up.
One of the fundamental aspects of the CPU scheduler used in W10 is that it assumes all of the cores your computer has are the same. Rewriting the CPU scheduler required a whole new rewrite of Windows to accommodate a much more complex architecture with some faster and some slower cores and a different spin up rate to go from idle to max speed on the two types, along with some differences in speed even on cores with adjacent threads. It also required changes to cache management strategies. This still isn't fully publicly documented for W11. I just know the way the scheduler changed in Linux and watched a conference with John Brown, the main Intel open source developer who mentioned that the 10th gen asymmetry was the main trigger for W11.
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Windows 11 is fine. It looks less ugly than Windows 10 and has some nice things like a properly organized settings menu (finally).
It still features two separate system control panels where some features are only accessible in one or the other, and you have to guess which setting is where. However, the new system controls panels is indeed much more usable in Windows 11 than in 10, agreed.
Honestly, there's not much of a difference. Microsoft will eventually force everyone up upgrade, so you might as well, if you have the time.
Windows 10's end of support is October 2025. I wouldn't use an OS on the internet after security updates stop.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/announcements/windows-10-22h2-end-of-support-update
I will enjoy windows 10 for at least 2 more years.
Planning on skipping straight to 12
It's such a subjective question. As a result, the answers you get will confuse you even more. It really depends on what type of user you are, and what software and hardware you have. Most basic users will notice some graphical changes, but not much else. I am not one of these people and use my desktop for everything from gaming, writing, music, and drawing. I am perfectly happy with 11 over 10. Yes, it has little annoyances, but then every version of Windows does. Those saying version X was great, are simply wearing those rose-tinted glasses. The perfect operating system does not exist, simply because us users are such a varied bunch. So catering to us all at once will create friction and issues.
The simple answer is, if you're going to stick with Windows rather than move to Linux, then upgrade. You will have to do it at some point. So long as you don't do it within the first six months of the new version of Windows being released. Then you will be fine. The later you leave it, the less time you have to become comfortable with it before you ask this question again about the next upgraded version of Windows.
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On a super recent Intel CPU with BIG.little architecture, I believe 11 has better scheduling. One day when games start to make use for it, 11 has DirectStorage and I believe 10 doesn't?
If you have an ultrawide display, you might appreciate the start button in the middle.
And that's about all the pros of Windows 11. Now for the cons: They've greatly dumbed down the context menu, so now you have to click the "more options" or whatever button nearly every time. Also it's possible that they fixed it a already but when I tried 11 near launch, the context menu took about 2 seconds to appear. Zen 2 CPU, 32 GB of decent DDR4 and an NVMe boot drive so it should be snappy And it's Windows. I right click on EVERYTHING because I'm not used to the weird-ass non-unix console. Gimme right click -> 7-zip -> extract to (subfolder), not right click -> wait 2 seconds -> show more options -> 7-zip -> extract to (subfolder)
But overall, Windows 11 isn't all that different. There are some UI changes, but it's surviveable.
I too am in the "Only stuck on Windows for gaming" crowd. My previous jaunt going full Linux was by far the most successful, but Nvidia's poor Linux support and performance once again led me back to the Microsoft world on Desktop.
re: context menu
Don't trust me here, or any post giving commands like this. You can search for steps to revert the context menu to pre-simplified versions. You can do the same as this command manually using regedit and finding the correct keys/etc... After this, reboot and you have your menu back to a usable state.
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
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No <-- The actual post Honestly have experienced quite a bit issues with Windows rather than Windows 10, not to mention the design wise they went with Windows 11... its terrible not to mention several issues that has happened (couple of them not fixed as of yet)
For me it was a nice improvement. I liked the new window snapping feature that allows to you quickly snap an application to half or a quarter of your screen. But honestly there aren’t that many differences compared to my work laptop on Windows 10, I never regretted updating though.
I also used Linux for gaming, most of the time you will be able to get things to work. But sometimes you will have small issues in games and way worse support from the developers.
Just throwing out there that nowadays the only games that don't work on Linux are multiplayer ones with intrusive unsupported anti-cheat (for support see areweanticheatyet.com) and Gamepass games (and others from the Microsoft store). And VR is finicky.
If you don't play those you could also go Linux on your gaming PC. Or wait until Windows 10 support runs out and look at the situation then.
Well the gaming on Linux scene is quite big. Most triple AAA games without anticheat work. The anticheat systems are changing to allow Linux. Check out ProtonDB or Lutris.
You know what, I am going to let you figure that one out for yourself. A lot of us already pointed out Linux, but if you're asking that question, then you're probably reaching the point that you are considering the switch already. Everyone has their own breaking point with Windows, Microsoft will NEVER reduce their ads/telemetries on Windows going forward, it only going to get worse.
Good luck! And we'll see you on Linux in a few years.
Gaming on Linux has gotten much better in the recent years. Honestly with the exception of games that use anit-cheat software, most games play just fine on Linux systems. I've abandoned windows, but my PC at work has windows 11 on it. I feels snappier and definitely looks better than windows 10. I'd say upgrade, but that's going to be your preference (I'd go Linux unless you play mostly fps or competitive games)
Windows 11 is supported longer and will receive patches for longer than Windows 10. In fact, I believe Windows 10 is only supported for a few more years. To ensure that you do not have an unpatched (therefore insecure) operating system on the internet, you will either migrate to a newer version of Windows or to a different operating system eventually.
That all being said, Windows 11 was commonly referred to as being faster than Windows 10 on the same hardware. The largest gripes are that Windows 11 has very strict system requirements (therefore not officially working on most computers) and that Windows 11 has a different user interface (taking away some things people like). Windows 10 or 11 are operating systems which basically need to be installed on an SSD so be sure to consider upgrading to that if you have not done so already.
I'm pretty sure that an upgrade to Windows 11 can be reverted and you can go back to Windows 10 if necessary. Still, I would back up any valuable data before experimenting.
On the Linux side of the world, Steam can be installed on Linux and devices such as the Steam Deck exist. Depending on what games you play on your gaming PC, Linux could be an option.
The differences between Windows 10 and Linux are greater than the differences between Windows 10 and Windows 11. In other words, Windows 11 may be a bit better or worse (depending on your opinion) but it isn't majorly better or worse.
Windows 10 will be supported until October of 2024
Because of that I'm planning to get a bigger NVME drive and dual-boot my system on Windows and Linux. I did a full switch for a couple months after the beginning of the year and it went alright.
*October 2025, so there's still faint hope that Windows 11 will be fixed by then.
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personally I like a windows 11 for my main gaming focused desktop and arch linux with KDE for my laptop windows 10 just feels like a less finished windows 11 to me now
Looks cleaner. I like it
Install Linux instead lmao
Eventually, Microsoft will stop supporting Windows 10. Sure, it will be around for a while, but I just assume upgrade and keep up with the latest version.
That being said, I do mainly use Linux. I just use Windows for gaming. I know Linux has improved a lot lately for running games, I just haven't tried it out for that purpose yet.
It's honestly just ten but better. Easier on your system, less superfluous animations, and it's organized a bit better. Most windows 10 apps are compatible out of the box as well.
No, absolutely not.
Personally it was not. I did not like the UI changes in explorer and nor did i see any performance jumps. Hence, i rolled back to the w10
Perhaps you can take a call on if you want the new UI (i personally like the older one a lot more as I'm used to it), and can switch based on that
Gaming under Linux is really good nowadays. You'll only have compatibility issues on a few of the most popular multiplayer games due to poor anticheat. It's a small price to pay in order to be able to run Linux, which gets better every year (increasingly so in recent years).
Windows tears itself apart every year or so anyway - back up your stuff, throw Linux Mint/Fedora/Garuda Linux on it, and try gaming with it for a bit. If you're just not feeling it, install Windows 11 after that. No reason to give up early.
Yeah, the main thing I hate the most is that they took the words away from the right click menu. So if you want to rename something, you have to click an icon and half the time I am wondering if I am about to delete it or rename it.
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