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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Neither V18's nor the size of a p50.

Pass.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I doubt passing will improve. The cars need to trim in size, not weight

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Nonsense. Many F1 drivers have complained about the size AND weight of these cars.

Only a 30kg reduction in 2026 is dissapointing. But due to technology and safety a larger reduction is a very hard/expensive gain.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The cars are sightly shorter and thinner

[–] cheddar 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The wheel base is reduced by 5.5%, and the width is reduced by 5%. I couldn't find info on the actual maximum length changes, but according to these two sources:

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/why-formula-1-cars-have-grown-so-big/

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/f1s-smaller-nimbler-raceable-2026-rules-announced-full-explainer/

Modern cars can be up to 5.6m length. Apparently this is not going to change much, so I wouldn't put weight into words "shorter" and "thinner". Yes, new cars are shorter and thinner. But is 5% enough?

I hope other measures will be more fruitful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Probably not enough, but a step in the right direction. I imagine this is the best they could do that also fit with all their plans for the new engines.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Don't know what people were expecting, but this all seems like good and/or interesting changes to me and definitely steps in the right direction. Like sure, I'd also love cars as small as the 2006 cars or whatever, but that was just never going to happen overnight. Let's hope this is the start of F1 reversing the trend towards ever bigger cars and the start of going in the other direction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Only 30 kg less and 30% less downforce ... What a let down

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That they lowered the fuel flow limit instead of eliminating it is a disappointment. Road relevance has been replaced by greenwashing relevance. But the active aero is an interesting choice.

[–] Olissipo 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That won't happen for 15 years at least, only Formula E can be fully electric.

With an FIA exclusivity deal through 2039 to be the sole EV single-seat series on the FIA menu, Formula E has plenty of time to grow.

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a44319865/formula-e-ceo-jeff-dodds-sees-sustainable-future-for-electric-racing-series/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, I see what you mean about going all-electric. I think there are other reasons why they can't do that. Formula E cars would be completely unable to complete anything like an F1 race. We'd need some revolutionary new storage tech for that to happen.

I'm of the opinion that the fuel flow limit was a bad idea from the start. Fuel efficiency is a worthy engineering goal even if its relevance to "sustainability" is pretty negligable, but restricting the total amount used and basically anything else makes more sense to me rather than constraining the instantaneous fuel flow rate. But I suppose it's seen as a cost-cutting measure: Low-revving engines are less likely to blow up.

[–] Olissipo 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

restricting the total amount used and basically anything else makes more sense

Oh you meant eliminate the flow limit, I thought you meant eliminate the fuel itself. And I agree (with the caveat you said, also limiting the total amount).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago