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Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

It's obviously a pretty silly thing, and is not in any way indicative of which project is "better" or more "long-term viable" or anything — instances of both federate with one another, and with the rest of fedi, so it's all one happy family.

That said, it's notable. KBin is a relative newcomer to the "Reddit-like fedi instance" game, and also does not have the tankie baggage.

Anyway, the more, the merrier!

KBin: https://the-federation.info/platform/184

Lemmy: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Discussion on fedi: https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110527049024028986

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just note that kbin.social currently has Cloudflare DDoS protection enabled which is breaking federation. Until this is removed, the communities are seperate.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Good to know, I was wondering why I couldn't see any kbin stuff here

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've got my lemmy instance proxied through cloudflare. It can work if you make it work. It does take a page rule to get around some of the bot detection nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

It may be worth passing that rule/config over to @[email protected]

The captcha bot detector thing seems to be making it wonkier.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I am on both and kbin seems less active.

Perhaps the numbers are counted different?

lemmy might be counting people who have posted this month and kbin might be counting anyone who has visited the site.

Big respect to all the devs for handling this growth so well.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lemmy might be counting people who have posted this month and kbin might be counting anyone who has cisited the site.

The data is from The-Federation.info, and the idea is that the metric is about users whose accounts were active over the last month. I think "active" in both cases means "has logged in recently".

Big respect to all the devs for handling this growth so well.

Absolutely. Sending all the hugs and good vibes, the Big Wave has not even started yet, I think.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That mstdn.social and the whole "lemmy = tankie" (whatever the fuck that means) is doing a disservice to the whole unreddit movement. I have seen plenty of discussion on reddit now of people not leaving because of these posts..

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I did not say "lemmy = tankie", I said Lemmy has certain tankie baggage, and that is in fact true. The developers are pretty clearly tankies, they also run a strictly tankie instance (Lemmygrad; many Lemmy instances do not federate with it).

Pretending this is not the case is not going to help in the long run. It might slow down the "unreddit" movement now, but I'd wager a bet it will make it more long-term viable and resilient, if people understand that choice of instance is important (there are quite a few great Lemmy instances that I would recommend wholeheartidly, like BeeHaw), and that there are alternative, independent implementations on Threadiverse (like Kbin).

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I can understand where mstdn.social is coming from and it is an "uneasy" situation. But the fact is that you have a choice here in which with whom you communicate.

The irony though of Reddit discussing to stay on Reddit and actually comply with the Autocratic leadership it has.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

I think it mainly comes down to the project landing page being more friendly and the UI being more polished.

The landing page of join-lemmy.org doesn't show what the website looks like. The only screenshots are of code and github. That section is geared towards potential instance administrators, not potential users.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is great. It suddenly feels like the internet of 2003 again, with small communities popping up, competition and less of a corporate chokehold. Only this time they have a shared login and crosstalk, which was sorely lacking back then. If we are lucky this event might establish a stable, new part of the internet, which is separate from the consolidated platforms. The Fediverse doesn't have to replace sites like reddit, just be a next step for people fed up with the corporate net (corponet?).

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't really care. I'm on Lemmy but fuck it, as long as it gets people off Reddit, competition can be a good thing in this space.

Metallica and Megadeth are historically successful bands, but Metallica would have never made it if Mustaine stayed.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

competition can be a good thing in this space.

Absolutely, that's why I am celebrating Kbin existing and being used.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Just took a look at the stats on The-Federation.info and looks like Lemmy is doing just fine.

Lemmy Stats: 162 Nodes 90,053 Users 277,427 Posts 610,007 Comments

Kbin Stats: 7 Nodes 5,960 Users 3,992 Posts 4,844 Comments

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I just noticed the same thing. I do not see a stat that shows kbin is overtaking lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

The cloudflare protection of their main instance is breaking federation right now, which is a bit annoying. I hope this will be resolved soon.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Great news to me I'm not "pro-lemmy", I am "anti-reddit".

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

Sorry guys, kbin is built on PHP.

So even if it did succeed, it won't be for long.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I know this is a joke, but not only is KBin built on PHP, but so are Facebook, Pornhub, and Wikipedia.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If history has taught me anything - I would say that means that kbin will persist forever.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A couple times a day when I go to kbin they Cloudflare me...kinda irritating. beehaw or Squabbles are down with a VPN dropping by, apparently. Or whatever's at work here.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can I use kbin to read Lemmy content?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes. Check out the biggest currently active instance of Kbin, https://fedia.io/ — plenty of stuff from Lemmy instances.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Despite the tankie stuff I prefer the interface of Lemmy, though I have accounts on both. Love that they federate. Things are happening.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Agreed Lemmy is a lot cleaner IMO. I'd be all-in if it weren't for the political baggage, even with federation we're empowering these guys and giving them a bigger platform. l'm still uneasy about that.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Personally, I'm loyal to Beehaw. I like the culture that it is trying to grow. But I like how I can subscribe to things outside of beehaw as long the instance has federation enabled.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I tried kbin but it currently slow as hell at least for me. It definitely is more inviting with its design though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Any ideas what are the pros and cons of each option?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy is written in Rust, has been around for a while, and there are a bunch of established communities on established Lemmy instances already.

KBin is sadly PHP, relative newcomer, arguably better interface, and no baggage.

That's all I got myself. Hope others will chip in.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Why is php a bad thing in this case? It seems like exactly the kind of application that php is well suited for. Plus there's the maturity of php's major frameworks. While I'm not saying Rust is necessarily bad for building web applications, it's web frameworks must be less mature and battle tested. Plus, it seems like a lower bar to get community dev contributions for a php project than rust.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmm, interesting. I just spent some time getting a Lemmy instance set up -- maybe I should've gone for kbin instead?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't think you need to worry about it. It's up to a given community whether or not that baggage affects it or not, I think. Building communities that are very explicitly not tankie is a great way of helping overcome that baggage for the whole project.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Brand new to fediverse and this is the second comment I've seen saying lemmy has tankie issues. Is this a term specific to fediverse or is it referring to the category of communists that are called tankies? If the second, I didn't realize tankies were big here

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I see you’ve joined the beehaw.org instance which doesn’t federate with lemmygrad.ml which is the main source of tankie views.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Thank you for solving a mystery I've had since I heard of Lemmy! I kept hearing about a supposed tankie problem, but never saw anything about it. Now I'm even more thankful about choosing Beehaw; I have leftist leanings, but tankies definitely rub me the wrong way.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Until recently I think lemmygrad was the most active instance and it's full of communists, including obnoxious tankies who scared off new users and contributed the reputation.

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