Yes there is FUD around signal. But they are not offering any better solutions.

Signal has some structural issues, and isn't a good solution for all threat models (i.e. if your a government who doesn't fully trust the USA, then signal isn't for you)

Any conversation that doesn't talk about briar, simplex, etc is deeply flawed since only they attempt to address the fundamental structural issues with signal.

Don't use that centralized chat service, use THIS centralized chat service - is just FUD... and isn't a helpful conversation.

Telegram isnt really e2ee so he wants to champion the less secure option. Gee, I wonder why?????

telegram is the real FUD here. its closed, not encrypted by default and all messages go through a centralized server.

I don't think it has anything to do with the "right wingers." I think many people and governments seek to discredit anything they can not control. Its basic misinformation tactics.

As far as Elon goes, he says crazy things and shouldn't be believed.

They do this periodically. We saw it during Occupy, the Arab Spring, BLM, now Palestine (again). As a general rule, when folks go into the streets, the tighty righties start up the FUD.

There is a reason why spooks learn tradecraft - threat modeling, procedures, awareness, and techniques - more than they learn technology. It would behoove folks to to learn a little about that before hitting up the appstore.

Talks about other people creating FUD, then links to a post asserting telegram is compromised without citing any sources about anything discussed in the post. 🙄 FUD indeed.

When do they not spread FUD?

It think there are a lot of factors at play. Musk wants Twitter* to be an everything app and has mentioned plans to add e2e encryption to the dms. Telegram already had an iffy relationship to people who look for encrypted platforms so he probably wants to set up that idea to get people onto Twitter instead, especially as the right's relationship to the platform is absolutely getting worse.

A big chunk of far right Telegram has moved off the platform recently after quite a few of the groups that got their start from anti-lockdown demos had members get arrested for terror charges. They seem to blame the fact that Telegram is backdoored but they constantly fed-post in open unencrypted channels anyone can read anyway. The police probably do monitor those channels but if I were to guess how they got caught, my bet is honestly that they just put in reports to the cops about each other because being fascists usually goes hand in hand with being horrible people.

I'm not sure how much he actually reads on far right Telegram but there is evidence of him at least following some channels where this sentiment can be seen. If I were to guess he saw oppotunity in bringing that audience back to Twitter.

* I refuse to call it X

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Yes, "because one of their council is leftist pro censorship"

Like this crap

I will throw shade at this liberal article writer by saying Elon Musk also promoted Signal. Does this make Signal actively compromised? Absolutely as much as Telegram.

This way of judgement of things is pure mental illness. I refuse to sugarcoat this, because now suddenly this Telegram vs Signal shitshow will become a trend if it is not nipped in the bud.

Signal/WhatsApp are different from Telegram/Discord. Former aim to be E2EE messengers while latter aim to be realtime public forums. Comparing apples to oranges is dumb, and falling for this Durov whining and counter-whining of Signal sheeps is even worse.

Let me ask Signal stans, since they are so proud of it, why is it that they kept delaying the username feature, and still require phone number to this day? Signal is not anonymous or private. Their servers are all Amazon and Google. What is private is the message contents, and even WhatsApp has that. Most people never even install Signal from their website's APK, instead Play Store or Aurora frontend (same thing) or some APK website. So how is Signal this messiah? Matrix is a whole lot better, XMPP and SimpleX are even better. Briar is an extreme step further.

Yes.

Idk how secure telegram is but cmon signal is shady AF . They won't let fdroid have it cause they want to sign their own keys or some shit but there is a speculation its because they can roll out custom apk to targets which governments want which is just not possible if it is hosted by someone like fdroid . Even telegram allows that and they even allow third party apps which signal won't .

SimpleX and briar is the best option if your actually worried about privacy .