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I'm really enjoying lemmy. I think we've got some growing pains in UI/UX and we're missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn't going to be free. Can someone with actual server experience chime in with some back of the napkin math on how expensive it would be if everyone migrated from Reddit?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I would like to join a cooperatively owned instance.

I have been tempted to join cosocial.ca, however I don't care for microblogging (Mastodon) as much as something forum-like such as a Lemmy instance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

donations to my favorite instances, like wikipedia i hope :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I know that it is not a popular topic in 2023 but a blockchain currency that allows users to 'award' posts/comments (similar to tipping in /r/dogecoin days) could provide instance owners with a source of income by taking a small portion of tips on their server.

Such a system would likely scale alongside user activity (read server load) and would encourage higher quality content. Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Honestly I would hate that, but if that's what keeps the lights on then I'll deal with it. I would prefer to move to an anonymous donation model like Wikipedia but I'm skeptical that will work.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm running a barebones server for myself and a few communities (not many subs yet) which will run for less than a Starbucks coffee a month... (Assuming I don't need more storage space... Lemmy seems pretty light. The main servers are gonna carry the load unfortunately... Beehaw.org had a transparency post about financials as of about a week ago they said something that their instance was costing like 50-75ish a month of I recall.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I suspect reddit's reported uprofitablity isn't due to the cost of hosting, but from blowing money in other ways.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Put up a yearly donation drive (like Wikipedia) but unlike Wikipedia do:

  1. a competition between the various instances, on which collects the most donations
  2. not shift the page content when displaying the donation banner!

Ideally the donations will be handled through a non-profit org dedicated to this particular purpose. If the donation level is high enough, developers can be hired to further improve the source code. Currently the funds are managed through OpenCollective, but with enough growth this may not be feasible any longer.

This will most likely lead to heated debates as this will build a somewhat centralized organization, which necessarily comes with power concentration.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing is, Lemmy is decentralized. You don't need to have an account on an instance (server) to use that instance's "subreddits" (communities) - instances communicate their activity to each other automatically, so any instance will do (provided the instances haven't banned each other). It's just like email.

So it's pretty simple to just stop accepting sign-ups once an instance starts to become impractically large. Anyone can start an instance for just the cost of a domain ($10ish/year, or free if it's a subdomain of an existing website) and a server (that random computer you already have lying around will do just fine, for free). And a small instance can do fine on just donations and the good will of the operator.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Apropos of nothing, where are you finding domains for $10/year?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Check tld-list.com for price comparisons of different domain providers.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Really, the only direct cost of lemmy is the development. That's the beauty of lemmy's decentralized nature, the cost of actually running it is spread out among tech hobbyists with spare hardware and time (edit: and only ~$30/year or less for a domain name), or may even have some money to throw at new hardware. For most people, the connectivity doesn't incur any additional cost to whatever they're already paying for internet access.

There are plenty of free and excellent open source projects that neither charge money or generate profits, they're driven by passionate developers who give their and talent for the enjoyment of it and betterment of the community.___

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hell, I'm already practically wasting a few domains already as is. Maybe some day I'll set up a subdomain with my own instance.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally I plan on donating the price of Reddit Premium to my instance owner

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whenever he figures out donations that is :))

I don't know what kinda person happens to have a massive server cluster sitting around waiting to go, but @TheDude is the dude, and the dude abides.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Hello fellow sh.it user! Yeah, TheDude is amazing and the server hardware stats are absolutely insane (considering it’s all hosted by a guy who does it as an hobby). Kudos to him and I’m proud to be part of this home instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's literally all donated

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You can always have paid-access Lemmy servers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought a server for about 100 a year... With my whopping 2 users... It's overkill... So... My comment is a wasted way of saying idunno

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

sell checkmarks like Tumbler.

for x$ a month get a checkmark next to your name on posts. in whatever colours you pay for. buy checkmarks for others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What would the checkmark mean?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Just that you support the lemmy community.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the price is spread out across multiple generous people that generously host instances. I think it really depends on how much members there are. From what I heard my instance is 25 $ a month. Another instance I was in on Mastodon cost a few hundreds bucks to run. This is why it is good to help out your fellow admins. On the other hand, lemmy and other fediverse software are open source, so they don't really have to pay for developpers. Also the scope of what lemmy or Mastodon do is considerably smaller that Facebook, Twitter and the likes. Facebook isn't just a social media, it's a spying engine and an ad recommendation platform, Lemmy and mastodon are just social medias, so of course it costs less to do.

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