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[–] [email protected] 337 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If this is true, then we should prepare to be shout at by chatgpt why we didnt knew already that simple error.

[–] [email protected] 245 points 6 months ago (5 children)

ChatGPT now just says “read the docs!” To every question

[–] [email protected] 195 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hey ChatGPT, how can I ...

"Locking as this is a duplicate of [unrelated question]"

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And then links to a similar sounding but ultimately totally unrelated site.

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[–] [email protected] 221 points 6 months ago (24 children)

I got an email ban.

1609 hours logged 431 solved threads

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[–] [email protected] 183 points 6 months ago (33 children)

Take all you want, it will only take a few hallucinations before no one trusts LLMs to write code or give advice

[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 months ago (4 children)

[…]will only take a few hallucinations before no one trusts LLMs to write code or give advice

Because none of us have ever blindly pasted some code we got off google and crossed our fingers ;-)

[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

It's way easier to figure that out than check ChatGPT hallucinations. There's usually someone saying why a response in SO is wrong, either in another response or a comment. You can filter most of the garbage right at that point, without having to put it in your codebase and discover that the hard way. You get none of that information with ChatGPT. The data spat out is not equivalent.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 months ago (4 children)

We should already be at that point. We have already seen LLMs' potential to inadvertently backdoor your code and to inadvertently help you violate copyright law (I guess we do need to wait to see what the courts rule, but I'll be rooting for the open-source authors).

If you use LLMs in your professional work, you're crazy. I would never be comfortably opening myself up to the legal and security liabilities of AI tools.

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[–] [email protected] 163 points 6 months ago (25 children)

See, this is why we can't have nice things. Money fucks it up, every time. Fuck money, it's a shitty backwards idea. We can do better than this.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 155 points 6 months ago (6 children)

So they pulled a "reddit"?

[–] [email protected] 98 points 6 months ago (5 children)

These companies don't realise their most engaged users generate a disproportionate amount of their content.

They will just go to their own spaces.

I think this a good thing in the long run, the internet will become decentralised again.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Reddit/Stack/AI are the latest examples of an economic system where a few people monetize and get wealthy using the output of the very many.

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[–] [email protected] 140 points 6 months ago

First, they sent the missionaries. They built communities, facilities for the common good, and spoke of collaboration and mutual prosperity. They got so many of us to buy into their belief system as a result.

Then, they sent the conquistadors. They took what we had built under their guidance, and claimed we "weren't using it" and it was rightfully theirs to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 129 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh I didn't consider deleting my answers. Thanks for the good idea ~~Barbra~~ StackOverflow.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago (10 children)

I'd be shocked if deleted comments weren't retained by them

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Letting corporations "disrupt" forums was a mistake.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Maybe we should replace Stack Overflow with another site where experts can exchange information? We can call it "Experts Exchange".

[–] bitfucker 91 points 6 months ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 months ago (1 children)

codidact ... Stack overflow had a mass exodus of mods a 2-3 years ago and a some of them made codidact.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 6 months ago (7 children)

At the end of the day, this is just yet another example of how capitalism is an extractive system. Unprotected resources are used not for the benefit of all but to increase and entrench the imbalance of assets. This is why they are so keen on DRM and copyright and why they destroy the environment and social cohesion. The thing is, people want to help each other; not for profit but because we have a natural and healthy imperative to do the most good.

There is a difference between giving someone a present and then them giving it to another person, and giving someone a present and then them selling it. One is kind and helpful and the other is disgusting and produces inequality.

If you're gonna use something for free then make the product of it free too.

An idea for the fediverse and beyond: maybe we should be setting up instances with copyleft licences for all content posted to them. I actually don't mind if you wanna use my comments to make an LLM. It could be useful. But give me (and all the other people who contributed to it) the LLM for free, like we gave it to you. And let us use it for our benefit, not just yours.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Begun, the AI wars have.

Faces on T-shirts, you must print print. Fake facts into old forum comments, you must edit. Poison the data well, you must.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Messages that people post on Stack Exchange sites are literally licensed CC-BY-SA, the whole point of which is to enable them to be shared and used by anyone for any purpose. One of the purposes of such a license is to make sure knowledge is preserved by allowing everyone to make and share copies.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 6 months ago (8 children)

That license would require chatgpt to provide attribution every time it used training data of anyone there and also would require every output using that training data to be placed under the same license. This would actually legally prevent anything chatgpt created even in part using this training data from being closed source. Assuming they obviously aren't planning on doing that this is massively shitting on the concept of licensing.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Share Alike

I can't wait to download my own version of the latest gpt model

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 6 months ago (4 children)

You really don't need anything near as complex as AI...a simple script could be configured to automatically close the issue as solved with a link to a randomly-selected unrelated issue.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The enshittification is very real and is spreading constantly. Companies will leech more from their employees and users until things start to break down. Acceleration is the only way.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 6 months ago (5 children)

primary use for AI is self destructing your website.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I despise this use of mod power in response to a protest. It's our content to be sabotaged if we want - if Stack Overlords disagree then to hell with them.

I'll add Stack Overflow to my personal ban list, just below Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And the enshittification continues...

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 months ago (17 children)

Eventually, we will need a fediverse version of StackOverflow, Quora, etc.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Those would be harvested to train LLMs even without asking first. 😐

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (2 children)

At this point I’m assuming most if not all of these content deals are essentially retroactive. They already scrapped the content and found it useful enough to try and secure future use, or at least exclude competitors.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I fully understand why they are doing this, but we are just losing a mass of really useful knowledge. What a shame...

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Data should be socialized and machine learning algorithms should be nationalized for public use.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Why does OpenAI want 10 year old answers about using jQuery whenever anyone posts a JavaScript question, followed by aggressive policing of what is and isn't acceptable to re-ask as technology moves on?

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm going to run out of sites at this pace.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago

Right? It seems like the modern internet is made up of like 5 monolithic sites, and unlimited SEO spam.

I know that's not literally true, but it sure feels like it.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 months ago (5 children)

While at the same time they forbid AI generated answers on their website, oh the turntables.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Rather than delete, modify the question so its wrong. Then the ai will hallucinate.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Reddit did almost the same and don't forget guys to delete your Reddit account

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 months ago (3 children)

A malicious response by users would be to employ an LLM instructed to write plausibly sounding but very wrong answers to historical and current questions, then an army of users upvoting the known wrong answer while downvoting accurate ones. This would poison the data I would think.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (25 children)

Maybe we need a technical questions and answers siteon the fediverse!

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