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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago

Overwhelmingly positive.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

99% positive. Wayland works flawlessly. HDR didn't cause issues (all AMD hardware).

The only issues I have off the top of my head are

1: Some icons in the system tray and system settings menu (the 'Clipboard' icon on the dock and the 'Touchscreen' tab in settings, and a couple others) display as a blank rectangle sometimes. Other times, they display as they should. Haven't even bothered looking for a solution as it doesn't effect usability in the slightest.

2: Certain pop up menus for dock applets, ie the Bluetooth applet, display incorrectly. I actually saw a post of another user having this issue, where the window only shows as a small square, and can require a re-log to actually make it work.

Other than these minor glitches, nothing has given me any issues.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It’s like al KDE projects IMHO. Good on the surface and works well. But use it for any length of time and you will find problems, unfinished areas, or parts where it was implemented without considering why it was like this in the first place.

For example, plug your 1080p laptop into a display with 4K and watch are your desktop icon gets sorted by a-z randomly instead of keeping the order you had it.

Or try to add a calendar even to your system by clicking the calendar which is found in the date and time on the taskbar.

Online accounts added to the system do not integrate into other KDE apps requiring additional signin.

I feel this is probably caused from KDE’s team being small, but having a large suite of apps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Poor integration with Google was a major reason to go back to Gnome.

What’s the value of to do app, calendar, events if I can’t have it synchronized across devices.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like you have a pretty okay experience but some specific things don’t work - please take some time to report bugs if you haven’t yet!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I've moved away from KDE for a while now. Been using Cinnamon since.

And most of my "bugs" are more missing features than anything.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

It works fine for me. Not on wayland but that's down to my Nvidia card and I hope explicit sync will sort it out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I recently switched from being a long time GNOME user over to KDE Neon. It has been a nearly flawless experience.

My biggest complaint so far is the lack of NFS support in Dolphin, which I use for my NAS. GNOME Files had native support for NFS. Now I have to manually mount from CLI and then it'll show up in Dolphin (eventually I'll setup fstab, but haven't done it yet).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Have you considered smb? Dolphin natively supports it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Works very well. Only issue is missing ported extensions and the cursors lol.

For some reason all cursors made for plasma 5 are blurry, so the existing "breeze plasma 5 cursors" dont work that well.

And I miss "minimal desktop switcher" as the Plasma 6 alternative just makes Plasma desktop crash for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Definitely noticing more bugs than I did on KDE 5, but I'm happy for the new features and over ease of use 👍

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

IMO the best Linux desktop experience that you can get right now

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hi! I currently am on LMDE with Cinnamon (after trying a lot of distros and DE). I use laptops and so I am curious about trying wayland, which can offer a better experience with gestures, as far as I understand. Gnome is cool, but it is not flexible and I don't want to install extensions over extensions. So I am thinking about KDE 6, again. I like it but at a certain point it drives me crazy. There is always something that doesn't work well. Maybe it's because I change too many things. I don't know. Anyway, is it true that KDE 6 is not really stable yet or its stability level is simply the usual one?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hardly change anything in Plasma. In my experience Plasma 6 is about as stable as Plasma 5.27 is/was. I rarely see a crash, freeze or inconsistancy I didn't cause myself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Good to know. I'll give it a look then

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I had to wait a little for my favorite widgets to get updated to 6, now I'm good.
I have been using the Wayland session for a while (I was on for months on 5), and it solved so many multi-monitor woes it has been worth the switch. So far my only complaint is that remote access solutions are rather limited on Plasma, with Sunshine and Moonlight being the only consistently working solution, as Krfb (VNC) crashes randomly, doesn't handle modifier keys well and forces you to click "OK" on a dialog every startup, thus making it useless for unattended access (Plasma issue).

Other than remote access, no complaints.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I use the wayland session on an Intel machine with no dedicated GPU, works flawlessly for me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Fixed most of my problems with Nvidia+Wayland. I still have to keep the explicit sync patched Xwayland around until it gets a new release, but other than that it works nearly flawless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Screensharing is broken, pretty good other than that

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It’s some apps still being broken, not the desktop. Screen sharing works perfectly fine for me in Slack, Teams (unofficial app by IsmaelMartinez) and web browsers. There’s also X11 to Wayland video bridge that can be used as temporary workaround in unsupported apps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (8 children)

This is good to know. It is one of the things that most interest me.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

It's pretty good! I wish System Settings was less confusing/overwhelming and it had more graphics tablet options, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Really needs more stability and to solidify its modifying features, not have them a bit everywhere. Really cant have a black screen bug every time I put my PC/Laptop to sleep

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

works fine for me, didn't really see any big issues.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Looks really sleek with the new floating panels, and being able to turn a panel into an icon task manger is still nice, and the new overview window is great for workflow.

However multi monitor support is still garbage. Like 3/4 of programs will never remember their size and position, so you have to make a never ending list of kwin window rules, which then end up affecting other windows you don't want to. Other things like right click menus will show up on the wrong monitor way off in a corner get old real fast. Its like the cartoon spiderman meme of 3 Spiderman's pointing at each other. Qt6, Wayland, and kwin all pointing the blame of why its like the way it is, while bug reports rack up another year of no fixes.

HDR having a toggle and working is really nice, but when it was on and I booted up a game, the in game options wouldn't allow me to turn on HDR.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Like 3/4 of programs will never remember their size and position, so you have to make a never ending list of kwin window rules, which then end up affecting other windows you don’t want to

That's Wayland specific isn't it? X11 behaves a lot better in that regard

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I have not had a single issue with a right click menu or a window not remembering size or position with multi monitors on tumbleweed

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

the HDR by my understanding is basically just automatic conversion, not actually support for programs to use HDR on their own. I've been using gamescope to run games in native HDR.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Why can't I inline two tab bars? I want a center island with a task manager and an island on the right with a system tray.

Otherwise it's peachy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They borked some features which I used and haven't fixed them yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
  1. I use the fullscreen start menu. I can't select search results with keyboard anymore.

  2. Inverting window colors doesn't work for me anymore, after they set the default to wayland. (I used it for app's which don't have a dark theme)

  3. Focus stealing prevention (global setting and window rules) doesn't work anymore.

  4. window positioning guidelines keep flickering in and out of existence all day, even when I don't resize any windows.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

3 has stopped working properly on X11 but it works on Wayland. The only reason I switched to Wayland. Of course, now I have different problems but focus stealing prevention works 🙂

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hmm interesting. I am on wayland for sure, but I tried to make it work for an hour yesterday.

How I noticed it:

I started an install process in pamac gui, then I tabbed to browser window and typed some stuff. Pamac finished downloads and asked for confirmation, the default being cancel and me typing ENTER cancelled it. Mouse was on the browser window and each app was on a different monitor.

I was able to repeatedly reproduce it by doing the same. I have set focus stealing prevention to high, which is described as focus only being stolen when the same type of window is active.

Is my issue maybe that both ran through xwayland? I'll have to check that later.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You might want to report these. In the last This Week in KDE, it says:

This week we put some of the final Plasma 6.0 bugs to rest, and continued working towards Plasma 6.1

I mean, theoretically, this could mean that they decided these issues are a WONTFIX, but I imagine, they rather just don't know of them.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Anecdotal, but for me worked a lot better with my monitors (both the same exact model though). On plasma 5 they had trouble waking up after suspending

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

working very well for me, and the most thing that i notice is scaling at 125% now not being blurry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Mostly positive althought there has been no shortage of bugs. That said, when I did a clean installation (not an upgrade), most of them disappeared, so I guess I'd recommend a fresh install. I still wouldn't say it's as stable as Gnome or Cinnamon, but the trajectory KDE have been on when it comes to making their DE less janky has been amazing recently.

There's been a lot of subtle UI improvements that make KDE feel a lot less disjointed, although you still see it here and there.

The improvements to the overview (Gnome activities view clone) are great.

Compared to the absolute shit show that was Plasma 4 and 5 for their initial releases, Plasma 6 is amazing. It's still not my DE of choice, but I keep it on one of my systems just to see the progress.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I haven't noticed a huge difference from kde 5. Wayland works for normal browsing and computer use but breaks when I play games so I'm still on x11.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Works great for me. I’m on X11 for now as an application for work refuses to work with Wayland - support page and I haven’t tried figuring out how to get it to use Xwayland.

Now that I think about it, I had one issue with screen tearing but that was more a driver issue with Nvidia.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

it works fine for me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Pretty good overall. I had Dolphin crash on me once, and even killing and restarting the process didn't help, only a system restart fixed the issue. Not sure what that was all about, I could access files just fine with other applications.

It also has some smaller bugs/lack of polish. The keyboard layout switch overlay/hint/toast appears at the correct position only for the first time, after that it snaps to the top-left corner of one of the connected displays.

I've also had the system tray icon popups reduce their width and height to 0 more than once, requiring a change in the config file under ~/.config to correct this issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

It was a bit rocky coming over from Plasma 5, but settled in nicely now.

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