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Seen a lot of posts on Lemmy with vegan-adjacent sentiments but the comments are typically very critical of vegan ideas, even when they don't come from vegans themselves. Why is this topic in particular so polarising on the internet? Especially since unlike politics for example, it seems like people don't really get upset by it IRL

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Obviously there's the stereotype and that is what it is, but I usually get irked at the suggestion that it's easy and an imperative. Veganism and other similar diets are an EXTREME luxury, and is only a viable option for a small percentage of the population. It would never have been an option in the past and is still not remotely an option for most humans.

edit: see below comments to understand what I mean

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

lmfao people have been vegan thousands of years ago e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27arri

beans and rice are poverty foods, not luxury. Meat is a luxury food.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

no one hates veganism, we just hate the vegans

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (8 children)

It's not veganism we hate, it's the stereotypical preachy vegans, acting like farming is the equivalent of the holocaust.

You don't tell me what to eat, I won't tell you what to eat, everyone's a winner.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seems like most people on this post have fallen into the trap of judging a group based on a loud subset of the group. Most vegans/vegetarians I know don’t like to share that they are veg precisely because of that stereotype.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

For me it's the high-horse holier than thou attitude most of them seem to carry in online conversations. I know a fee vegans and they are mostly fine in person after the first few months of radicalization, but I imagine they just suppress it in person to maintain the acquaintanceship and then bitch in their vegan echo chambers about how "my co-worker who knows I'm vegan had the audacity to order a hamburger and eat it in front of me knowing I'm vegan, does he know he's destroying the world with that Burger... AITA?"

If you're looking for scientific answers, good luck they, Inrhjnjbmost people stop worrying about micromanaging people after a few years of academia.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Because appx 1% of vegans are straight up obnoxious and indignant. And a similar percentage of meat eaters are also.

Then everyone else just mildly gravitates to tribalism but probably doesn't actually care that much.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (10 children)

No body hates veganism as a concept in and of itself. People dislike vegans that think they're better than everyone else because they eat no animal product.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

There is a push from the meat industry to make hating veganism the cool thing is what I feel is going on. Some militant vegans are honestly annoying.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I do not like being told by someone that i need to become vegan because they have become vegan.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Half my social circle has gone vegan at this point and I think a lot of the anti-vegan sentiments is people don't like modifying their behaviour to give up their own comfort even when they know something is distressing to someone else. Since a lot of vegans see a very real cruelty that they are generally powerless to stop and other people do not understand their reactions to seeing other people participate in cruelty is often to feel very sad. Since so much of human culture surrounds shared meals having a vegan takes a lot of options off the table entirely and alters other people's options even when they don't intend to.

Like it's not a matter of "well we'll go to your vegetarian restaurant this time and next time we go to a place I'm excited to go" for those of us who care about our friends being upset we basically rarely pick our first choices and more often sacrifice things we are excited for in the name of someone else's comfort. It can be a love language to find restaurants and eat the things on the menu that don't exactly thrill you but other times you just want to have that selfish Birthday dinner where you don't feel compelled to pick a restaurant for someone else.

I think a lot of people reject veganism more forcefully because they don't want to have to participate in that sort of friction. All it takes is one ethical vegan to completly change a friend groups food culture. Even when they bring their own food and try not to make a big deal and mask it not bothering them when they see meat being consumed people are generally compelled to care for people they know and ignoring someone's distress isn't showing care. When people ratchet up the social cost of veganism they are more often than not trying to engineer a social sphere where they do not feel callous, don't have to give up what they like and don't have to do any additional research work or social calculations .

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Funny is that I have only seen Anti Vegan threads on here. Like, who is the annoying one?

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