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Biden Says He Told Nigeria to Kill Fewer Civilians — but Nigeria Keeps Killing Lots of Civilians (theintercept.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Nigeria has gotten billions of dollars in U.S. security assistance, even as its counterterrorism campaign has a massive civilian death toll.

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[+] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (8 children)

This is pretty interesting. Americans seem to be convinced that their president is the king of earth and they can, with a wave of their finger change anything. This is total bullshit

Presidential power inside the country is extremely limited by the constitution and they rarely have an opportunity to “just do what they said they were going to do”.

Outside our borders… it’s so fucking complicated that no one person really understands the global web of power and influence. At the bottom of the pyramid though, always force of arms. If America is willing to fight you, then you do what they say.

So… should we start a war in every place on earth that genocide is occurring? Really channel our inner dick Cheney and waste life and treasure in regime changes? Should we really cede all power in the Middle East to Iran so that we can stop our (fucking asshole of an) ally Israel from using those weapons on a highly immoral war? Should we start WWIII with china to save the Uighurs? How many African nations should we currently be bombing?

Which of those wars do you want to fight? Have you enlisted yet? What are you waiting for?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

We just want the US to stop giving Israel money and weapons. How is that so fucking hard to understand?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

We also want it to stop obsessively protecting it from the UN and international law.

The US is currently trying to lobby the ICC in Netanyahu's favour.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Me too. Shame is that doing that would empower Iran, which isn’t great. It’s all tough choices and I’m pretty tired of listening to idiots pretend they have all the answers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Who cares about Iran

[+] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How fucked are we that we can point to Reagan and say "do what this guy did"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Why does that bullshit about Reagan keep popping up?

That occurred prior to the start of the Israel-Iran proxy conflict in 1985, when Reagan set the precedent of support in the same conflict that you’re protesting right now.

When he cut back foreign aid to Israel, prior to the conflict, Reagan then provided military aid under the express agreement that they use it to attack Lebanon.

He wasn’t “being tough” on Israel. He was telling them where to point their weapons.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1981-1988/lebanon

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Uh... Biden can stop the mess in Israel with a phone call. Reagan did it.

Should we really cede all power in the Middle East to Iran so that we can stop our (fucking asshole of an) ally Israel from using those weapons on a highly immoral war?

I'm not sure why that's the dichotomy here, but literally yes. The US has no business staying in the middle east as long as it has. Also it's a genocide, not just "immoral war".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

So… should we start a war in every place on earth that genocide is occurring? Really channel our inner dick Cheney and waste life and treasure in regime changes?

No one here is advocating for that. “Stop funding genocide” is a far cry for “Channel your inner Dick Cheney”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I'm not American and I'm not asking them to stop Israel's genocide. I'm asking them to:

stop funding it
stop supplying it with weapons
stop vetoing UN measures against it
stop lobbying the ICC and other international bodies in support of it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

At least in the case of Gaza the US are literally funding it to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. Unless there's some mystical magical procedure I'm not aware of, Biden could veto anything that supports Israel that comes out of Congress. A literal unused one person choke point that keeps passing weapons to Israel. The frustrating thing about Gaza is how simple it would be to stop it. Stop the flow of weapons. The US has threatened it before, and gotten results.

Please stop pretending the US can't wield power that isn't an invasion force.

Yeah, this article is also about funding...sooooo....

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Sending weapons to Israel is part of a very old US strategy to check Iranian power. You can argue that we should stop trying to check Iranian power, I could probably be convinced of that. Being an enemy of Iran has led us to some of our shittiest “allies”. Remember when US presidents shook hands with Sadam Hussein? That shit happened!

We can stop sending them weapons and money. We should. We should try to make those shipments conditional on changes to the Gaza war strategy. But letting Iran run wild is not going to be super great for US interests and is going to be VERY unpopular with US citizens. It’s not that I like the way everything is happening, it’s that it isn’t simple. Iranian troops in Israel, SA and Iraq isn’t an outcome we can handle so taking our foot off the pedal almost certainly leads to a hot war with Iran. That sucks a lot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

We're all doormats unless we actually want to get involved militarily. No country wants to put its military on the ground in any of these places. Nobody gives enough of a shit to help the Armenians. Nobody gave enough of a shit to help the people of Hong Kong. Nobody gives enough of the shit to help the Kurds. Nobody gives enough of a shit to help basically anyone. There's frankly not enough money in it for corporations and not enough public support of it for politicians. So it ain't going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

US typical please kill nicer, since you are making us look bad response.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Man the comments here don't give a shit about dead civilians in Nigeria do they? The minute black people are dying and they immediately want to change the subject to Gaza. That's just fascinating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"where did you learn to kill civili-"

"FROM YOU!!! OK!?! I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!!"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Oh, cool, yet another Country that is not in any way in the control of Joe Biden, whose actions you idiots can blame him for.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He is in control of the guns he sends them. If he doesn't want to be linked to civilian killings, all he needs to do is to stop sending guns.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Nope, not in any real way. What he is control of is the compromise which results in the guns getting sent and attempting to limit the damage from those compromises. Which happens to be precisely what he has done.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Honest questions seeing as you seem so sure:

Does the executive have no ability to block arms sales to human rights abusers?
What methods are available to block arms sales?
Is a government not under any moral or ethical obligation to prevent the armament of human rights abusers?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Congress has to vote on bills for arms packages to our allies. The President has to sign it or not.

The catch is they always package stuff like this with stuff like "give water to Rwanda" so the President is forced to sign it otherwise he's the "no water for Rwanda President".

The best example of this lately is arming Israel. It's packaged with probably the last ever military aid to Ukraine. They need it to literally not turn 30% of the continent of Europe into Russia. But means we gotta send shit to the assholes in Israel too. But it's easier for people to just focus on the last part.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

None of your bullet points have anything to do with the thread.
Your goal post moving is normal and expected, so expect it to be ignored.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Politics and arms sales has nothing to do with a thread about politics and arms sales"

Ah, so you're just a dunning kruger. Cool, thanks!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Not at all what was posted. And you labeled the cause for your over confidence. Well done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I agree. Let's blame Biden and Democrat and left woke people altogether!

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is Biden sending them billions of dollars and making sure any attempt at peace through the UN fails?

Found the genocide supporter

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No Biden isn't. He hasn't got billions to give anyone, he has millions and I see no evidence of any such activity in his financials.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Lol wut?