Tankiejerk

That's why I too am not a believer in horseshoe theory and actually agree that communism hasn't been practiced properly before. A peaceful emancipation of the common person is still unpracticed. If this is all tankies said, I'd be fine with it. But they say communism has never been practiced before along side arguments that the Soviet Union and China are communist. They are parroting real modern communists without understanding them and mixing in their revisionist history to create a paradox they don't seem too concerned about.

I think it's more about rebelling against their Reagan loving, USSR hating dads than sound political theory.

Except those people prefer the Chinese and USSR style of social autocracies to actual socialist projects. Some of them even trash worker coops, although that was more true to the InfraHaz style lolcows than the tankies of lemmy...

The only kind of Communism I'm willing to accept is the Star Trek Communism. Until then I'm pro Team "Social market economy"!

"I hate the US"

"Oh Russia and Iran hate the US. I love Russia and Iran!"

Unfortunately sometimes people are actually as stupid as they make themselves out to be.

Because they’re anti-west not pro-communist.

Anything critical of Russia is obvs western propaganda and as Russia is an enemy of the west, they will support them.

They see the enemy of their enemy as their friend, instead of realising it’s just another enemy.

They're not actually communists, it's just a facade for Kremlin and CCP propaganda.

Noo you don't ._. Their train of thought is more often than not "USSR=Good. USSR hates USA. USA=Bad. Modern Russia hates USA. So Russia = Good."

It's not surprising at all, they're working for the same people.

Needs an "EU BAD" square

saying Russia good , USSR good and China good requires you to pretend they are true communism

Russia hasn't been anything resembling Communist since perestroika and the subsequent dismantling of the USSR. Might as well call France a monarchy or complain about Japanese Imperialism.

The long struggle session over "Is China Communist?" has been tilting back in the "Enthusiastic Yes!" column for years, as Xi's abandoned the Dengist market integration strategy and increasingly put his chips on a new Third-World Export model for Chinese aid and trade (incidentally, much more in line with the USSR peace dividend strategy circa 1950s/60s). If nothing else, Xi's proposal to have a housing sector that is 30% public (up from the current 5%) would be the AES guy's wet dream.

Russia and China are capitalist countries in everything but name.

Russia after '91 spend a solid decade under the Shock Doctrine mass sell off of domestic assets. Its rapid transition to capitalism had more in common with a pillaging than any economic reform. The Russian state was never fully integrated into the European trade model. And it was always held at arms length by NATO military advisers, limiting the possibility of fully internationalized markets. After the second failed "Russian Reset" under Obama, the state has begun re-nationalized a host of traditionally private assets as multi-national industries abandoned the country.

Chinese single-party state administered economic policy - the Five Year Plan model that's been building steam since the 1950s - is about as far away from the Western Laisse-Faire model of capitalism as you can get and still plausibly cling to the name. If China is capitalist, it is doing capitalism in a way wholly alien to any Chicago School economics professor or McKinsey consultant.

You might be able to shoehorn their economies into the broad definition of profit-seeking private ownership. But in both form and function, they look radically different from a US, German, or Japanese private economy.

That's fair and I hope those communities continue to grow and mature. I do enjoy the good faith discussions that happen here more often than other sites myself.

You can see more content on .ml, because .ml is federated with Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and the other instances like shit just works, lemmy.world, and so forth.

If you want to see a lot of content, it's a good instance for that.