Let us know when the ultimate list is ready.
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Lol yeah I don't think OP knows what penultimate means.
It may have been the ultimate list 4 years ago, but I haven't updated it in so long I would've been embarrassed to call it the ultimate now :p
Well, if you only plan to do one more, this could actually be the penultimate list. But if this is the last one, then the previous one would have been penultimate.
Mind you, I'm 100% okay with using penultimate to mean second best, instead of the actual definition as next to last. It makes sense as a non standard/slang usage, since the last is often the best (depending on the list, of course, but most save the best for last). It's a good play on the way we use ultimate as both final/last as well as best.
One of these days, the dictionaries will catch up to this usage and it'll become a standard usage, so you're getting in on the penultimate use of penultimate as slang, in a way :)
Mind you, I’m 100% okay with using penultimate to mean second best,
That was my intended use of the word, but I'm not ashamed to admit that I fully misread the little info blurb in my search engine, which led me to believe I was using it appropriately 😅
I thought it said: a formal or literary way of saying it is not a superlative or beyond ultimate, as many people think.
...I didn't notice the period after 'it' (or the double 'it'). But the sentence right after that one is really the pièce de résistance! 🤌
But I very much appreciate your charitable view on my fumble.
Well hell, that's just as cool as using a word in a fun way. You looked it up and just got steered wrong by difficult typesetting. My dyslexic ass would have gotten the same impression as you if I had to scan that on my own and come out with a definition.
I like where you went with your take. We collectively could probably stand to be more flexible like that
I feel that :)
A living language is going to shift. It's inevitable. It's necessary to hold a formal version of a language for important things for sure, but for every day conversation, pedantry is just silly. Not only can we never expect everyone to know every word and every usage of every word, mistakes happen. It's a very human thing to pick up a word and never run across a formal definition for it, and that's okay.
It's easy enough to offer a formal definition if there's a misunderstanding, to get everyone on the same wavelength. But if everyone gets the intended gist, why get all het up? Communication should be fun and engaging, not a battle over semantics and usage.
I would say this is the Ultimate list. Older cataloging project and still updated to this day with ~>3900 entries. Hi @Le_[email protected]
Did you mean to include a link to this website?, If so, I added it to the top of the list in the other references.
That's an incredible feat of cataloging, and blows my efforts out of the water. Hats off to them!
Exactly, My lemmy client failed the link markdown or i forgot something
Good list. Covering many different categories. Have found every game I thought of. I like that the roguelikes listed are the actual, "classic" roguelikes. What I don't like: inclusion of the games that cost money to play (via in-game purchases). These should be at least marked as such, pretending they are free is not OK.
Back when I created this list, I had the mindset that if I did include a game with the a Free to Play monetary model, it would only be eligible if it was absolutely not Pay to Win, and if it was possible to have a lot of fun without and be on a fully equal playing field spending a dime.
Looking over the list again, I think you're right in that a couple titles (runescape, eledivin, and argueably EVE online) really don't meet that criteria.
However, I think others such as CS:GO, TF2, and War Thunder still deserve a spot on the list, as you're still experiencing the full game with no disadvantage without spending anything.
But I will remove those titles and put Free To Play in the description of the others.
Actually amazing list, thanks for sharing !
Though I mention the monetary aspect, it doesn't mean I'm not fully aware of and advocate for the FOSS philosophy. I would've thought going to the extra effort of finding out what software license each and every title used, along with a direct link to the source code (which in some cases was not trivial to find) would've made that much obvious.
I would've thought ... would've made that much obvious.
Using the word "free" to refer to proprietary games in a GNU/Linux context is a huge indicator of a lack of awareness. I wouldn't look further.
finding out what software licence each and every title used, along with a direct link to the source code
FYI, the page you linked to isn't publicly accessible. When I try to look, Reddit demands that I log in and doesn't present the page content.
Using the word “free” to refer to proprietary games in a GNU/Linux context is a huge indicator of a lack of awareness.
If I'd intended to create a FOSS only list, I would've just said FOSS instead of free. I think it's a little much to expect people to always qualify 'Free as in beer' anytime they ever use the word free in a monetary sense in a Linux community. The information needed to determine if a game is FOSS was provided next to each title, it's not like you've been deceived. This was just a little list I put together in hopes to give people who are struggling financially (as many of us are these days) to have more options for fun games they can play with their friends or by themselves, I'm sorry it didn't meet your standards. 🫤
FYI, the page you linked to isn’t publicly accessible.
I was able to add the list in the body of the lemmy post, the link is no longer required, but unfortunately it's not federating my action of having removed the post link.
I think it's a little much to expect people to always qualify 'Free as in beer' anytime they ever use the word free in a monetary sense in a Linux community.
That seems really odd to me. I don't expect people to qualify use of the word free in a montery sense in a Linux community, I expect people to avoid using the word free in a monetary sense entirely. And it doesn't seem a little much, it seems blindingly obvious if one's goal is to communicate effectively.
Gross, reddit.
Actually, now that you mention it, I should be able to post it here entirely. I'll see if I have enough space.
It's crazy af that a game from 1982 on archive.org is "access restricted".
Awesome
Hoping I'll find a good fps in this. Been looking for one for a while now. Most of them are basically fancy doom wads and quake clones. Might be able to find something of a more modern style.
Since you have Team Fortress 2 Classic im going to share Open Fortress
Awesome suggestion! Added! :D
A few personal recommendations here: Xonotic is the most engrossing quake clone I've ever played. The gameplay is fabulous and it would run on a potato. Definitely check it out if you like arena shooters.
Also people who bounced off FreeCiv for its somewhat dated mechanics (I believe it's most similar to Civ 2 in terms of gameplay), might enjoy Unciv. It's a FOSS porr of Civilization 5 and the last time I played it a few years back it appeared to be almost feature complete in terms of parity with its inspiration.
Lastly nethack is hard as nails and I've never been able to finish it. Good game though!
Added UnCiv to the list, thanks for the suggestion! Plays really well on my phone, surprisingly.
Yeah it's very good. Written in java so Android is a first class citizen but it runs well on desktop too.
They did a really good job with the GUI too.
The space sim lidt seems to be missing Vega Strike.
Dang, I remember playing that when I was 14 or so. Surprised to see it's still being developed. Looking at gameplay of the latest release... It still looks awfully janky still. Does it play well nowadays?
Been a long time since I played it myself, but it was my first introduction to space sims.
Development of the game picked up again just a year or so ago, after a long time of hiatus.
Yeah, the game looked nice over 15 years ago, but the graphics haven't updated at all, so the visuals are incredibly dated. Gameplay is still quite solid, though, and the background simulation aspect of the game is still on-par with Elite Dangerous, so I'd say it's a pretty good choice if someone is looking for a FOSS space sim.