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Storm Troopers are known for their accuracy (lemmy.world)

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[+] [email protected] 143 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

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[–] [email protected] 159 points 5 months ago (9 children)

As usual the fans come up with a great answer to explain away poor writing.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Or people are too dumb to understand decent writing. The storm troopers destroyed the rebels in the opening scene. They killed almost every fighter in the battle of Yavin. The only time they didn't perform well is when intentionally letting Leia escape. Sure there's plot armor, but there's also an explanation for a lot of it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (4 children)

They also sucked in Mos Eisley. They aren't trying to let them escape, nor are they trying to take them alive or anything like that. They completely give up the element of surprise by loudly shouting "blast them!" and then fail to hit anything despite having an entire squad of troops ready to open up on them.

That said, ESB shows them as being competent, and the only shots they miss are from long range and against targets with good cover. Sadly, the same cannot be said of ROTJ, as basically everything the empire does on Endor is idiotic and makes them look incompetent.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

For Leia, Vader had set the Stormtroopers on 'Stun'.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They mean when they escape the death star and rescue Leia in ANH. Vader explicitly says he ordered to let them escape so they could be tracked to Yavin 4.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or maybe you don’t understand the difference?

Clone troopers were highly trained and sometimes specialist trained clones of jango.

In the other hand, storm troopers are human “recruits” that are trained by suboptimal clones or left over clone troopers.

They are entirely different armies that were parts of mostly entirely different wars.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (13 children)

and you HONESTLY think that was the plan at the time? That the storm troopers he was thinking of was the clone wars? That was already canon back then?

Or....did he just say 'clone wars' because it sounds spiffy and Lucas had absolutely zero thought put into it past that?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

The plan at the time was what the film explicitly said. They were devastatingly effective at taking the Tantive IV. They were devastatingly effective at destroying the sandcrawler (to the point that they couldn't disguise it as having been attacked by sand people). They were devastatingly effective at nearly hitting the protagonists enough times that they believed they were being shot at for real, when actually they were just being herded onto a ship with a tracker on it so they'd reveal the location of the rebel base they'd spend the first half the film failing to threaten or torture out of Leia. They were devastatingly effective at destroying the rebel's attack force against the Death Star, and were seconds away from destroying Yavin IV and the rebel base on it when someone used supposedly-extinct space magic to make what the film had previously described as an impossible shot against a tiny target.

The only time they miss is when the film says they did so on purpose.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In A New Hope, the only time stormtroopers miss is when they do so intentionally, when they're chasing the protagonists off the Death Star, and onto the Millenium Falcon, which has been fitted with a tracking device which they know will be taken straight to the rebel base. They easily overwhelm the guards on the Tantive IV at the beginning of the film even when only a few of them have made it through the breached airlock. The myth that stormtroopers miss comes from people not noticing the scene where Tarkin discusses intentionally letting the rebels escape so they can follow the tracking device back to their base.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

It's sad that we don't really get to see Stormtroopers at their peak outside of that one scene on the Tantive IV and that Disney nu-canon has essentially embraced the meme of them being inaccurate.

I think the way the story is constructed clashes with the way movies are filmed for entertainment. We are explicitly told that the Stormtroopers are a force to be feared, and shown that exactly one time, but the narrative requires a bunch of nameless faceless mooks for the heroes to mow down during their action scenes because that's more entertaining, so the Stormtroopers fill both roles and it gets muddled along the way.

As for the Tusken sniper who took out Teemto on the podracing circuit, I'd chalk that up to a lucky shot. There were a few of them shooting, and it was a target rich environment, an he was the only one to get nailed in the engine and suffer a catastrophic failure despite it being a multi-lap race.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Regarding this I always wondered how Jedi are able to turn on/off their Jedi power in order to avoid being detected for so long

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The ahsoka novel actually partly covers this. Ben basically went into some form of deep meditation for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

They spend a lot of time practicing to expand their mind and feel the Force. It's probably not too hard to figure out how to go the other way

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I haven't watched Ahsoka or Kenobi yet (probably never will... for either) but wouldn't one of those have resulted in Obi-Wan being familiar with stormtroopers over clone troopers?

But also, watch stuff like Andor or Rogue One or even some of the more OT-era animations. Stormtroopers are still terrifying if you aren't a protagonist with plot armor (that I guess is subconsciously using The Force to deflect shots). And this would have been less of a high stress battle and more an ambush/execution.

But also? Obi-Wan is clearly kind of a manipulative asshole. He took Anakin's son and basically trained him into an assassin to neutralize Vader and stop Palpatine. He also specifically did not tell Luke to maybe not have the hots for the cute princess hologram that he 100% knew was his twin sister.

Why would he say "Well, this could have been an ambush by those random people who have a history of ambushing stuff and fucking shit up?" versus "oh yeah. This is The Empire. You should totally go stop Vader". Also, he might be aware of the ethnic cleansing that Anakin did against the Tuskens and is extra trying to avoid a repeat of that.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Their accuracy varies

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

2/4 aren't storm troopers?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

but all of them are the bad guys (although the separatists weren't necessarily that bad, especially compared to the empire)

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's funny how people miss the whole message behind the movies

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The senate was corrupt and the separatists wanted to put an end to it, which is definitely a good cause but then their leader was a sith so yeah... Let's just say there aren't any good guys except for Obi-Wan of course.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The separatists were also a bunch of hypercapitalist scum

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Using slave labor, among other things, even without getting into the droid stuff. The very idea of them gets introduced when the Trade Federation, a core Separatist power bloc, tries to conquer Naboo over a trade dispute.

Why the hell don't Star Wars fans understand Star Wars, it's not that deep.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It was an inside job. Obi Wan paid the Sand People to kill the Jawas and Luke's auncle and aunt so that Luke will follow him to become a Jedi. Remember, the Sand People thinks Obi Wan is a mythical monster/god.

> but but Obi Wan is a good guy!

No! Obi Wan has shown in the Prequels to be a sly manipulative guy. He justifies everything by "looking at it from a certain point of view". He lied to Luke about Vader too. He's also not above mind controlling " weak minded" muggles. All the pieces line up. Wake up banthaples!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Based and sandpilled.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Precise, not accurate. They just always miss in the same way

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

and their holes are exactly as they need to be. Very precise, horribly on the accuracy front.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yeah but didn't it take him like 8 tries? He shot at them every circuit but only hit a crit shot on the last lap.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You make that shot and tell me if 8 tries seems like too many.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Reminds me of my time playing Rising Storm 2, having a mosin (long, obselecent bolt action rifle) and taking way more than 8 shots at passing helicopters. I nailed a pilot in the head from pure luck and he commented on how cool/bullshit it was

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

Colonial bias. Once you see it..

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He's being sarcastic. Then this dialog starts making sense.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Or just racist.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

"Those dirty Sand People could never be this precise!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Or he's just trying to impress some local farm boy who knows nothing about the galaxy, the ways of the force, or sand people.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

They're looking at random pot shots on the side of a gigantic sand crawler. Were those shots even precise? It seemed like they hit armor and did fuck all for the most part until one dude randomly got lucky and hit the gas tank or something.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There was an event in between these two scenes that wiped out all the sand people with good aim, I can’t think of it though…

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Not just the men with good aim...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

disney ruined star wars

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (9 children)

I've really enjoyed The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and Andor. Rogue One was fantastic. It's not all bad.

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