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The film fans who refuse to surrender to streaming: ‘One day you’ll barter bread for our DVDs’ (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I am thoroughly enjoying all these comments. But 4k Blu rays are visually, audibly, and aurally superior to streaming. That said, I have seen and heard some pretty darn good rips of 4k stuff, so I'm not even sure anymore. I may or may not own numerous hard drives containing a large PLEX library as well as a sizeable collection of my favorite repeat watchers on 4k Blu ray.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Shit, Id argue DVD with a good scaler is better than streaming

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Have to agree. I have a PS3 still plugged in only because it can upscale DVDs really well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

In still a CRT feind for this reason. Have a nice flat 1080I CRT

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can rip and remux 4k blurays into a format plex can stream with 0 quality loss

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Go on

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I use a MakeMKV docker container myself

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Looks good, but I can't run it on Mac, sadly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I daily drive a Mac but I keep all of my video stuff on a separate server running Linux. And I might be wrong and I’m not in a position to look it up right now, but I’d be surprised if you couldn’t run a docker container of it on a Mac. Is that not one of the big advantages of containerization?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I've honestly never attempted anything like it before

[–] pythonoob 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There may be some exceptions but I thought that the container at least had to have a similar if not the same OS as the base OS.

That is why containers are so efficient, because they utilize all the like files of the base OS but act like their own machine, thus saving a lot of space.

[–] Zink 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

macOS is literally certified UNIX, afaik. I’d be surprised if you couldn’t.

[–] pythonoob 1 points 8 months ago

True didn't think about it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Streaming lowers quality/bit rate to save bandwidth

Rips play the files from the blu-ray so you shouldn’t suffer any quality differences

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

eyeroll keep your stupid DVDs I'm just gonna pirate and self-host.

This article starts with such a contrived scenario that I can't take it seriously enough to read the rest. If I had a generator and a DVD player with a bunch of DVDs, sure, I might watch the DVDs. I'd be far more likely to just go get a hotel room somewhere that has power and internet access. If the world has collapsed so far that you need a genny for entertainment, just go ahead and take the next step and start doing an oral history of your people, and don't forget to boil your water.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You won't be laughing when somehow all the hard drives die but DVD players still work.

I suppose a magnetic storm and in this scenario the earth's magnetosphere has failed but you're in a shielded bunker so you don't turn to soup from all the hard radiation but didn't bring hard drives?

Look whatever man spinny plastic goes brrrrrrrr.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You won't be laughing when the DVD eater (a cryptid which probably exists) shows up to eat all your DVDs and leaves all my hard drives intact. DVD eaters are afraid of magnetic storms so they generally only attack places that are magnetically shielded during storms

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You're all fools! You should just be hoarding the screenplays on trusty ink and paper, or perhaps etched into clay tablets to deter silverfish and parchment mites. When the great solar-amberic conjunction erases all earth's digital media simultaneously and nothing else, me and my travelling theater troupe are going to make post-apocalyptic bank with live re-enactments of all of cinema's greatest moments, just you wait!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're the fool! What good is all that ink on paper when you miss the vocal range to make it come alive. And props! Don't forget the props! You'll come crawling to my mountain encased warehouse full of props, I say!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Of course... I've been collecting treasured works of art and culture, when I should have been hoarding authentic screen-used Hollywood memorabilia and officially-licensed tie-in merchandise - the true paragons of human invention! Damn you! Damn you, and your citadel of props!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In truth though what an amazing concept for a post apocalyptic legacy drama??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It sounds a lot like Station Eleven

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot

😉 the free market has decided

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Realistically what kind of set up do people have.

Do they spend hundreds on hardrives (I guess two copies?) then just download TV shows and dvds individually, in bulk, and slowly work their way through?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My favorite quote:

"“My husband’s a very sick man,” she joked, who meticulously researches films on a website called DVDBeaver. “I thought he was looking at porn.”"

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

They should partner with uiPlatypus or DesignAxolotl

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If laser disc taught us anything, even mastered optical media has a shelf life. The glue holding the layers together going to fail and those discs are going to be worthless... My discs are going to be worthless

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

This will help you digitize all of em easily. All you need is a pc with a disc drive and enough IT-confidence to manage setting up the server. (I do recommend docker)

https://github.com/automatic-ripping-machine/automatic-ripping-machine

When its all setup you simply put in a dvd, you wait, it automatically ejects and you swap it for the next one.

output the files to a jellyfin server and watch them from basically any device with zero hassle.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

yeah I already have a process I use with makemkv, but that does look like a nifty thing to add to my container host

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why do you recommend docker,pls ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's what i use and it works well.

There wiki also states


ARM can be installed in multiple ways:
    Docker install on a bare metal server/PC
    Docker install in a VM, on a bare metal server/PC
    On a bare metal server/PC Note not prefered option
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I've got 30+ year old CDs and DVDs that read fine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, DVDs are shit. Blu-ray are so much better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Whoosh 😂😂😂

Most all of these were released before blu ray was even a thing, kid. Licensing prevents them from making a blu ray I'm assuming.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Loads of old movies are remade in Blu-ray and many are even made for 4K Blu-rays.

If I really really wanted to watch an old movie that's not available online at all, I would just go to the national film archive and borrow it or watch it there. But most films that are on DVD are pretty new.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There was an article the other day where like so many TB fit on a disc with a new laser, and really made me think, how much TB on a disc would it take to make our internet look like pigeon mail again?

I mean we need the media quality to utilise it all, but it doesn't yet cos of the cost of storage and portability. But if 5TB fit on a disc, man would the landscape change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I highly doubt it, fiddling with discs is much less convenient than downloading (or streaming).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's some places in Africa they send usbs with stuff on pigeons if it's more than a couple gigs cause regular internet is so slow and unreliable it's literally faster and safer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Olds, Alberta has municipal gigabit Internet because the main engineering firm in town was using couriers to send USB sticks between their two offices. They were considering leaving since the Internet providers weren't willing to build "expensive infrastructure" in a small town, so the municipality took it on.

Now Olds has the cheapest fast Internet pretty much anywhere in the country.

Anyway, point being: it's not just happening in developing countries.

[–] Zink 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Once unlimited fiber internet comes to somebody’s neighborhood, it seems like we’d need a new use case to make sneakernet / pigeonverse worth it for consumer use. People download 100+GB games every day without a second thought.

Maybe there are some cases where it would be nice to carry a ton of data physically with you, but you can already fit a lot of data in a small portable hard drive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Certain scientific applications require really large amounts of raw data, collected from sensors and the like. Radio telescopes, for example, require each sensor to send petabytes of data to a central place to be analyzed. For example, the Event Horizon telescope has sensors all over the world, and hard drives of the recorded data get sent to be analyzed in the United States and Germany.

For residential applications, though, yeah. There currently isn't much of a use case for sneakernet where you can get terabytes of data with latency above a few days.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I am impressed by the breadth and depth of that article.

[–] ICastFist 6 points 8 months ago

Eh, I'll be satisfied with a collection of microSD cards, an external hard drive and a OrangePi4. I'll have movies, books and games in one neat package.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

It doesn't take much to kill streaming, all you need is road work cutting your internet connection.

Ours was down for 7 hours a week or so ago.

No worries, plenty of movies and games.

I just picked up the 4K Warriors. Looks good!

https://a.co/d/8fPAeDR

I check in on Blu Ray.com to see what new stuff is coming or what I might have missed.

For example... Disney is doing physical editions of their Disney+ content. More coming on April 30th.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/releasedates.php

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Andor-The-Complete-First-Season-4K-Blu-ray/356918/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Obi-Wan-Kenobi-The-Complete-Series-4K-Blu-ray/356916/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Moon-Knight-The-Complete-First-Season-4K-Blu-ray/356931/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Falcon-and-the-Winter-Soldier-The-Complete-First-Season-4K-Blu-ray/356938/

Which will go well with the stuff they already released:

Mandalorian, The : Season 1 [4K UHD] https://a.co/d/7CTif6b

Mandalorian, The : Season 2 [4K UHD] https://a.co/d/6sUaoTA

Loki : Season 1 [4K UHD]
https://a.co/d/c1Ukcn5

WandaVision : Season 1 [4K UHD] https://a.co/d/5IgVmTt

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Some film fans never gave up physical media: they’ve spent years quietly buying thrift-store discs, discarded by the many US households that no longer have DVD or Blu-ray players, and waiting for their chance to rise again.

Physical media fans of all types tend to see themselves as survivalists prepping for apocalypse – “When the streaming sites took off,” someone told me, “people thought I was crazy for still collecting, but now I feel like my time has finally come” – or like the Irish monks and Arab scholars who, during the Dark Ages, are said to have protected the knowledge of antiquity while Europe burned books as firewood.

Derek Loman, in Missouri, told me he was so nostalgic for the old days that he turned his home office into a replica 90s video store, complete with a candy aisle and a door in the back marked ADULT.

Streaming isn’t wholly bad – it’s convenient, still cheaper than cable, and can give people outside metropolitan areas easier access to new series and films, including international pictures, like 2019’s Parasite, that might have been slower to circulate in the Blockbuster days.

“It became clear to me, roughly at the time of Netflix’s transition from sending hard-copy discs to your home to the streaming era, that there was value in retaining your own physical media,” the writer and podcaster Sean Fennessey, of The Ringer, told me.

The modest online store that he and his wife ran from their home near Philadelphia, DiabolikDVD (“Demented discs from the world over”), began doing such brisk business that he moved the operation to a warehouse and hired four employees.

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