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[–] [email protected] 329 points 7 months ago (14 children)

"An attorney for PJ’s Construction said the developers didn’t want to hire surveyors."

Well there's your problem.

The answer here should be simple... the developers pay for demolition, removal of the house, and restore the property back to the condition where they found it.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 7 months ago

Until they declare bankruptcy and reorganize as JP's Construction.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago

Dear dumbass,

Please remove your abandoned property.

Love,

Attorney with the easiest job ever

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Surveyors: Actually a really important job because without them nobody knows where the fuck anything actually is in any precise way, nor does anyone actually know they own the land they think they do.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Or just give the property the owner the house for free in exchange for not suing and cut their losses. Would probably be cheaper in the long run, especially counting legal fees.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

She doesn't want the house because it balloons the taxes on the property from a few hundred to thousands per year

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (8 children)

First: she has a right to be made whole and it’s not her concern what the people who wronged her have to go through to do that.

Second: she never wanted a house. She had a special vision for the space, a space that has now been damaged.

Third: squatters have rights and she may not be able to evict them. Their rights may take precedence over hers here.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (17 children)

They also offered to “swap” her for the lot next door. F that, they should offer to buy it from her for fair market value

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The Title Company has to be sweating bullets right now. It's their whole job to prevent problems like this.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, they admit in the video that the developers didn't hire a surveyor. The developers are completely fucked here, and I think they know it.

If they had hired a title company, the company would have hired surveyors, so it's pretty much a for sure thing they didn't hire a title company. Developers usually only do that at closing when they sell the property.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I’m confused by why the landowner is being sued here.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

This crap happens (not that at it should and you're correct). I know someone in construction. They leaned a property that the title company just... didn't see the lien? Property was sold, The lien wasn't bonded off or anything either.

It got resolved but man, that would have been a mess. I think at that point the new homeowner is on the hook, and would need to get their due by going after the title company?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It's hilarious u think these shady developers hired a title company 🤣🤣🤣

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

If that house had a mortgage then the lending bank almost certainly required the use of one. If it had a construction loan it too probably required a title search and certification.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Reynold’s attorney said they offered to swap her their lot right next door or sell her the house at a discount. But she has refused both offers. “It would set a dangerous precedent if you could go onto someone else’s land, build anything you want, and then sue that individual for the value of it,” DiPasquale said.

Good for her.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'd also tell them to fuck off. The only reasonable option would be giving her the house (which she is now paying taxes on and requires work to make it usable because of the shit) or to bulldoze the thing (or uproot the house and move it; whatever gets it off the property) and get the lot back to its prior state.

Keaau Development Partnership sued PJ’s Construction, the architect, the prior property owner’s family, and the county, which approved the permits.

They also sued Reynolds.

The developer knows they fucked up and are hoping one of the people they are suing is poor enough or dumb enough to cave so they can recoup some of the massive legal cost they are looking at. Also suing the kids of a dead person is a little fucked up. Like "Hey sorry that your dad died but we can't sue him so we'll sue you instead."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The only reasonable option would be giving her the house

No need. The house is already hers if the laws over there work as they do where I live. Anything somebody else builds on your land becomes your ownership automatically. The developer knows this and tries to bully and cajole her into getting his money back or at least cut some of the losses.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (14 children)

The still vacant three-bedroom, two-bath house on a 1-acre lot in Puna’s Hawaiian Paradise Park is worth about $500,000. But it could cost a lot of people more than that as they head to court to sort it out.

Wow. A house is cheaper in Hawaii than it is in SoCal?

The housemate of my mother just sold her mother's house in Orange County. 2 bedroom and 1 bath, so smaller, for over $1 million.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Well, sure, if you don't own the land it's built on. :)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Hawaii makes up for in fuel costs, power costs, food costs, etc etc.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Unless you are a native Hawaiian, you can only lease the land for 100 years. Further, the cost of living in HI is way way higher than SoCal because everything has to be imported.

Source: ex-Navy who lived there and used to crash open houses in diamond head for snacks when he was poor.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Puna is a rural area, not comparable to Orange County.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago

The fuck are they even suing Reynolds for? They fucked up; why does she have to pay for their fuck up?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago

Reynold’s attorney said they offered to swap her their lot right next door or sell her the house at a discount.

But she has refused both offers.

“It would set a dangerous precedent if you could go onto someone else’s land, build anything you want, and then sue that individual for the value of it,” DiPasquale said.

Good call.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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