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[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I love living in a car free city. I can't believe America doesn't build more cities like mine.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago

Exactly, no one drives in New York City also, who wanna drive in that traffic?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Huh, weird that when I was there, there were literally thousands of cars. Probably just hallucinated it

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That’s not really what car free means.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

For years I've somehow missed this. Cars driving on nearly every street and somehow that "car-free", yeah makes perfect sense.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I think it's because the bar is so low, just the ability to choose to walk for everyday commuting, errands, and leisure qualifies as car free. Ie, you can choose to be car free if you want.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm living a car-free lifestyle, despite holding a license to drive. It's more freedom than I've ever had.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I sometimes make the mistake of driving to college because it's faster. I'm always way less happy and focused (and sad cause of having to pay for parking). Ebikes are the shit. It's about 15 minutes driving and a 25-30 minute bike ride.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Been there at times. It's great not having to pay and worry about a car (done that at times as well). Yet, if you need to move house or get somewhere difficult, you can lease or borrow a car or van. And you can be an extra driver on trips.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I feel like this is people about most things. Most people aren't very imaginative.

They're kind of stupidly in favor of how things are, but once it changes they're like this is great I don't know why we didn't do it before.

Like imagine if free public libraries didn't exist and someone tried to create them. Conservatives would shit their pants hating it.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As French :
Amsterdam my love.

Almost no cars at all,
Pure joint, with no tobacco,
No noise,

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (17 children)

Europeans and their weed with tobacco, smh my head

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago

Disneyland is a good comparison for some Americans: imagine having to drive to each ride and restaurant

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (9 children)

"What seems to work best is a carrot-and-stick approach—creating positive reasons to take a bus or to cycle rather than just making driving harder."

I guess this is why we shouldn't only play the "fuck cars" tune but also include melodies like "we love to bike" and "public transport is fun" 😉

[–] Muffi 13 points 7 months ago

Public transport IS fun! Much easier to masturbate on the train than while driving a car

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I imagine bikes will be very useful in making US cities walkable. The streets have been built very wide to make space for cars, which would make walking more tedious, but bikes are the perfect solution to this bc they let you cover more (flat) distance with just the power of your legs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Every two lane road has enough space for four lanes of bicycles (one passing lane for ebikes and one lane for normal bikes going in each direction)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Why would anyone hate that? To me it sounds like a utopia. I just had to buy new tires for my car @#$%*!

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Boomers. I was blown away when I went to a city hall meeting about expanding the roads and hearing their hot takes.

After the wave of old boomers (most of the audience) complained about how dangerous the whole world has become that they can't even take their trash out on the street, they say a walkable city just opens up "more danger".

To them, walkable streets means seeing more diversity, which is apparently super scary.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It makes perfect sense when you understand modern city design as a form of mostly unconscious but purposeful violence, that pretty much defines the middle class Boomer generation in wealthy rich countries. Structural violence… as far as the eye can see!

US Boomers love that shit, the prison system, healthcare, highway design, the tax filing system the list just goes on and on.

I really wish my parents generation could have just been skipped and instead I had parents from the previous generation who actually fought for something and understood how to defend workers rights.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I love living car free with my needs in walking/biking distance. However I feel like the car centric problem runs deeper than basic groceries and transit to work. I live near the gorgeous rocky mountains, but our buses only really run to the ski slopes, and only in winter. It's a true shame to be so close to nature and have my option for access restricted to a rental car. So naturally there's a plan to build the worlds largest gondola directly to resorts to address traffic. Cause god forbid we just ran more effective bus service year round.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

Is there a FAQ about living in car free cities? For example, how do you travel to another city? What do you do if the city has high slopes making walking and biking too hard? Or how do elders deal with what other citizens would take for granted in terms of mobility?

[–] Strykker 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Also "car free" doesn't have to mean literally zero cars allowed, but just build and layout the city so you never have to use one for daily errands.

I live next to a grocery store and it's literally the best thing ever, grocery trips take 10 minutes max, I only end up using the car on weekends for hobbies or to visit family and friends.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

how do you travel to another city?

Usually by bus or train.

What do you do if the city has high slopes making walking and biking too hard?

Walking is good for you, biking is not too popular in cities with slopes, but electic bikes are changing that.

Or how do elders deal with what other citizens would take for granted in terms of mobility?

There is definitely less mobility, but that is part of getting older isn't it? Usually they just walk a bit slower and use busses and taxies.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Or how do elders deal with what other citizens would take for granted in terms of mobility?

Electric mobility scooters as well. I'm sure those are capable of much better range now, and it should keep getting better, and everything they need would ideally be close by

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Wouldn't the elderly be a huge benefiter of a car free city? You get old enough or frail enough that you can't drive. Then what?

I like in a city that provides free busses and trains to those aged 65+ if they ride in off peak hours, and it's heavily used. This is in a city designed around cars.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (5 children)

For example, how do you travel to another city?

Train or car. Car free mostly refers to inner city trips, for special occasions it's totally fine to use a car (e.g. moving, buying something big, a weekend trip, etc)

What do you do if the city has high slopes making walking and biking too hard?

Bus, ebikes, other types of electric assist stuff, walking. Crazy steep slopes do put a limit on exclusively human powered mobility (i.e. walking and cycling), but those places are incredibly rare.

Or how do elders deal with what other citizens would take for granted in terms of mobility?

A walkable city features amenities close by, plenty of benches to rest, and a solid bus system. There are absolutely no issues for people with restricted mobility. This applies to people with disabilities as well btw.

In fact I would turn that question around: how do elders deal with the requirement to drive a car to get groceries, etc? Isn't that like super duper dangerous?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Show me a car free neighborhood and I'll show you insane real estate prices due to demand.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I don't hate the idea. I want a car free city.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I dream of the day I can bike safely to my places. Right now I basically have the supermarket and two bars in distance, and then it's a mess of double lane roads and highway ramps before I get to any bike friendly paths to go further afield. It really sucks.

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[–] gentooer 18 points 7 months ago

It's crazy to see how the city centre of Ghent (Belgium) changed when they banned non-emergency cars from people not living/working in the centre. It went from some huge carparks with a few people walking between them to large squares filled with people enjoying the city and people who live here.

Every day I bike besides the Coupure channel to the train station and in the city I work in, I walk to the office besides the Dender river. Good infrastructure is basically keeping my mental health afloat.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't know about other Americans, but I would love to be able to have this kind of lifestyle. It's just not realistic over here due to the infrastructure. It's not within my power to make the changes necessary for it though.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't live in a car-free city, but I wish I would. Fuck cars and especially fuck the people in them. I live in a pedestrian zone, but connected to the main artery through the city. You would think that labeling something as a pedestrian zone would reduce the amount of cars going through, but no, it's just a second main street. Might as well take down the ped zone sign, it gets ignored anyway, so why waste money making one?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (20 children)

I wouldn’t mind being able to give up my car and truck. But since I’m out in rural parts. It wouldn’t workout too well when it came to other needs.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (7 children)

My 2 cents: Living in a climate that gets all the seasons, a car makes things much easier in the winter for numerous reasons. Also, as someone that lives with chronic pain issues, walking or biking places on a daily is quite difficult for me, again, having a car resolves this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Good quality public transit can solve those issues as well. We should have a variety of options available for a variety of people who need them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Ah yes, winter! I live in a wintery place (Quebec) and cars in winter need very much care to work properly. They need plowed and salted streets or they get stuck or can't go uphill. If that level of care was the same for pedestrians and cyclists, it would be much easier to move around without a car.

Also, you may need a car because of chronic pain but surely not everyone driving a car needs one for chronic pain? And wouldn't it be nicer for people that really need a car if there were fewer cars around?

I'm in my early 40ies and lived all those winters without a car and I still think it's silly to say they are "adapted" or "working well" in winter. Every winter there are multi car collisions/pile-ups on highways. They slip and slide easily. Multiple times in a year cars can't climb the little hill in front of my place. It takes even more space to park them as there are snowbanks everywhere. Sometimes they get covered in ice.

I really can't see the appeal of a car in winter.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

I understand you may not have lived carefree but here's two places with extreme weather that do fine without cars (provided people invest the minimum amount to establish public transport):

Winter (Norway, way below freezing): https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

Summer (Taiwan, 36C+): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dBk7lq8o1Y

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think the term "car free" is a misnomer, more like "car as a non primary form of transport for most people most of the time" is more accurate but doesn't roll off the tongue as well.

There are a lot of people with mobility issues in such cities that are serviced in different ways, a lot of times with specially licensed cars etc.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I hate the term "car-free". That said, even for someone who primarily uses a car, advocating for bike lanes and public transit makes sense, as the fewer people there are taking up road space and parking, the easier it is for you to drive / park.

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