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I currently live in California, but it's literally impossible to afford to buy a house.

Where are some good places to move to? I was thinking about Washington State, but I'm not sure I could handle the snow.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’ve lived in Washington State (western) for 4 years total and have seen exactly 10 days of snow the entire time I’ve been here. Houses are still 3-400k. I want to move either closer to SeaTac or down to Vancouver because I bought a house in an area with a lot of flags on trucks if you catch my drift. We have more cloudy days than anything. We get lots of rain but it’s mostly just clouds and drizzles.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's my ideal weather. But, yeah, I need to be near a metro area to be happy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I’d personally recommend Vancouver then. Lived there in an apartment for a year and it was a nice mix of urban, suburban and rural. Basically drive 15 minutes in any direction and you’re in a new biome. Personally looking to move back there once I get a new job and sell the house.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Tennessee still has some affordable housing in rural areas. Very little snow as well.

Are you prepared for no-flouride water, septic tanks, an awful education system, a sub-tropical climate that seems to get less "sub" every year, more types of pollen than you've ever dreamed of, more guns than people, and rampant meth/opioid abuse?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

Or consider Rural PA, all the same problems, but with the climate of early 2000s Tennessee!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Don't forget the discrimination and frequent unreported assaults on queer folks and people of color!

Tennessee: The volunteer (to give up any reasonable expectation at a decent quality of life) state!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Raleigh/Durham in NC. it's a little bubble of progressive in a red state. Houses aren't crazy yet. Lots of tech work. No snow.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Same as Austin, but housing is not really affordable right now, unless you're willing to live out in the burbs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Been in this area for almost 35 years. Had to move further south (Johnston Co… like 30 min from downtown Raleigh) to find a house we could afford. Lived in Cary in a townhouse that more than doubled in rent in 10 years.

Can confirm there are quite a few IT jobs. Been in IT since mid 90s.

All in all would recommend this area.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

"No snow" and "Affordable housing" are going to be a tricky combo.

Eastern Washington gets lots of snow and is basically Idaho, but houses are around 3-400k. Western Washington doesnt tend to get much snow, but it does happen, and housing is averaging around 600k for a 2bd/2ba even out in more suburban areas, so not exactly affordable. Big cities think more like 750-850k.

Im also assuming you're looking for West coast vibes given the Cali to Washington idea. New Mexico/Arizona/Nevada might match what youre looking for.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Where I live it's lot of snow and also unaffordable housing.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I would recommend somewhere in Europe. You will have paid vacation and heathcare insurance and (almost) free school and … :)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

One citizenship please!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I've looked into relocating there, but citizenship seems difficult?

I also think I read somewhere that there are stricter labor laws so I wouldn't be able to freelance as heavily (~30 hours a week) alongside having full-time employment?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why would you want to work 70 hours a week in Europe? Nobody really does that there

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

The Working Time Directive means you can't work more than 48 hours per week and it also prevents employers from making you work more than 48 hours per week (there are some exceptions eg workers on ships and trainee doctors) but in most EU countries you can opt out of it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

WE AREN'T INVITED

It's so frustrating hearing Europeans tell Americans to move there. As if we could just up and run and get visas and jobs. Trust me, if it were easy, I would have done it. I've moved across the pale blue dot multiple times and never found an avenue into the EU.

Do you have any idea how difficult immigration is? Maybe you've been listening to the Islamaphobes too much.... another great reason not to move to Europe btw, what if you're the wrong color... they have a very different brand of bigotry out there

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A friend of mine just moved to California. San Diego. Couldn’t afford a house so he bought a boat and he now lives on the boat. He said the boat is much better than any house. It’s much larger than any house he could maybe afford there and if he doesn’t like San Diego, he could just float away to somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dock slip fees gonna get ya

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just anchor off shore and row in like a pirate. Good exercise too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

This honestly sounds really appealing

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Are you working remotely or would you depend on the local economy for a job?

Because the big catch is, the places you can afford have no work.

Or even with remote work, you need broadband access, so no DSL, no Hughesnet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is why I moved to rural Oregon, paid mid-5 figures for a one-off trenched fiber line, and still came out on top.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Western Washington doesn't get a lot of snow unless you're in the mountains.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Snow? Realllllyyyy depends on where in the state

Western Washington gets almost none, and you’ve got the whole I5 corridor to move to. Vancouver is the biggest city with the most affordable housing ratio. Not that it’s an oddly deep red district which is counter intuitive considering its size and proximity to Portland.

Bellingham up near the border is next in line, but it’s smaller and further from city activities.

Tacoma and Olympia are both cities that Seattleites are starting to move to despite the commute due to more affordable housing.

Then there’s Everett, the home of Boeing and about 25 miles north of Seattle. Cheaper than Seattle and has reasonable access to Seattle or to head north to the border. Still expect to pay 600k plus for a house though.

Lastly there’s everything between. It’s all small towns, rural areas, trees, and hills. The spot about smack dab between Tacoma and Portland gets more snow than most of the west side of the state, so maybe not for you. But the rest is good. And these places will all be cheap as hell to buy in. You just won’t have city amenities.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

City Nerd has a few great videos on affordable places to live that have urban amenities, for example: https://youtu.be/1qzePci2N6E?si=dWq43GmzH5ObF1q8

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Consider SW Michigan. 2h drive/train to Chicago, proximity to large bodies of water for summer enjoyment, and if you live in a reasonably-sized town they're probably good at clearing roads when it snows.

Besides, our winters get milder each year. There's a couple of big snow/ice events, but the trick is to not be on the road while the heavy stuff is coming down. Wait a few hours for it to ease up and for the snow plows to do their thing.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Just live where other people don't want to live. Living in desirable places drives the prices up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You want less snow than Seattle??

Nowhere can you buy an affordable house, unless you move out to middle of nowhere. I've heard they're still affordable in Appalachia

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I live in appalachia, come on in! Cheap real estate and beautiful scenery. Seen houses in my small town for 40,000$. Jobs that pay well can be hard to find, but if you don't mind traveling, or can work from home I'd recommend it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Find a purple voting district, move there and vote blue - the republicans need more social services to use regularly while they complain about people expecting "handouts"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Upstate New York or maybe Michigan. Just not Buffalo. That is some snow hell at times. As for driving in snow in general? It really isn't that bad and I moved up here from the South. Just buy good quality tires, or if you are really paranoid, snow tires. I have always regretted my life decisions when I got shitty whatever the crooked mechanics had on sale tires. I have never needed chains in the areas I live in. You cannot be any worse than every other idiot in snow. Promise. You will be fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So many comments suggesting American cities... I would rather suggest humbling yourself to the point where you can beg for EU citizenship. There's no point in the US anymore.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Do you know how hard it is to actually get citizenship outside of usa? If you don't work in a field that a country wants the website essentially says lol no (Ireland/Canada). They'd also quarantine the shit out of pets and traumatizing fluffy isn't really top of the list.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Split the difference. Go somewhere in northern CA or southern OR (Portland is pricy too).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think New Mexico is where it’s at for low/no snow and affordable housing. Not coastal vibes at all, but neither is it anywhere close to Texas feeling. They just kind of have their own thing. Almost anywhere on the I-25 between Albuquerque and Las Cruces might suit your desire.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What's your issue with snow?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I've never lived in it, so I wouldn't want to be a menace on the icy roads

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I have lived in a snow area for decades after moving from California.

Nobody knows how to drive in the snow here. They forget every year, so you will fit right in. Get a car with AWD, leave room to stop, accelerate slowly, no throttle when sliding to regain traction(don't put your foot to the floor), and keep your tires where others have driven. Snow tires are amazing, but not necessary and are a hassle. Keep a small snow shovel in the trunk and non-folding traction mats if you can. You should also keep a charged jumper pack in your car because the cold don't give a shit about you needing to start your car.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Don't worry, loads of people that live in a snowy climate also are a menace on the road.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can't be any worse than most of the people who have lived in it their whole lives.

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