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Property in land - What are your thoughts on Georgist libertarianism?

The basic idea behind Georgism is that land and natural resources are not the fruits of anyone’s labor, so no one has a natural right to it. Georgism proposes based on this that collective ownership arrangements be applied to such resources. Geolibertarianism supports full private property rights in the products of labor.

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What are your thoughts on this approach to natural resources?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I actually think there's a lot of merit to it.

I've always been troubled by the idea of generational wealth corrupting the free market. I know people say it'll even itself out, but it just seems like things will trend toward large government if capital can be accumulated over generations. Those with money will buy power, and those with money and power will use their power to prevent fair competition. Georgism kind of protects against that because owning property becomes a drain on wealth, so new wealth needs to be created to maintain it.

Having real property be owned collectively justifies certain libertarian solutions to negative externalities, such as solving pollution with a carbon tax (instead of a hand-waivey "micro-damages" argument, it's a fine for polluting collectively owned property). It's also a convenient way to avoid eminent domain, since contracts can be renegotiated or allowed to expire to allow for whatever the project is, so the government should never need to seize anything.

I do have concerns though. If property is all owned collectively, the natural degradation path is top down restrictions on how you can use property. The way to combat this is through strong contract law, but the government needs to be firm that contracts are not inheritable nor can be sold, otherwise it could just devolve into private property rights again, but only for the rich and powerful.

In general, I'd like to see a stronger push for land value taxes, shorter IP protection terms, and taxes focused on negative externalities. I don't know if we need full georgism, but a step in that direction could be a good way to simplify government and reduce top down power.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I'm wholly opposed to the idea that the government cna just tax people out of their own houses and businesses, simply because they aren't making enough money compared to whatever bs valuation got tacked on to it. Not only is picking up and moving a major challenge for many people, Taxing things into economic efficiency entirely ignores that people assign non-monetary value to things. For instance, a childhood home or family farm. The government shouldnt be telling people that they don't matter, and they must either pay up or gtfo so some soulless businessman can optimize their property.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

@jlou @libertarian 100% for a redistributive land value tax, yup. I still think we need income and capital gains taxes, however, so I guess I’m not a Georgist. Income tax could be lowered, however, especially at lower incomes, with the main aim of income taxation being redistribution to limit excessive inequality.

Also, I don’t think LVT is enough by itself. That taxes human market value of land but not natural value. (1/2)