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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/26107632

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_cut_effect

This might be it, although it might be specific to disability.

  • ex. Closed captions, cuts in sidewalks
[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (2 children)

When closed captioning for TVs was being rolled out by government mandate in the US, there was widespread anger over having the cost of a TV increase by $0.25 for everyone for a feature that would only help a few. I was sickened by the callousness.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Plus people rarely know in advance that they might become disabled later in life, so they are shooting themselves in the foot by protesting when they are lucky enough to be able bodied in the present day.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They won't be able bodied for long if they shoot themselves in the foot! Seriously though, some people refer to abled body people as TABs, which stands for Temporarily Able-Bodied, to drive the point that advocating against or ignoring issues which negatively impact people who are disabled may include themselves in the future.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I like that and will start using it. We’re all pretty helpless after birth and before death, so being able bodied is just a temporary phase in the middle, for those lucky enough to not be born with a disability or acquire one in the middle of life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Hey, that's about $2 today!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Huh, I've not read of that before! That definitely fits with what I was wondering, and points to other terms that may apply as well (universal/inclusive design). Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Nice. Today I learned a new term.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I believe it's called Universal Design. You can hear about that and curb cuts specifically in eps 308 of the 99% invisible podcast.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

A great episode of an excellent show.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

One of my coworkers was talking about how his wife (a truly hateful woman) was complaining about having been to a bathroom at a particular airport, and how they had changed them for trans people (she presumed). In particular, they had made all the stalls have floor-to-ceiling doors for privacy. I responded "wait... she's mad because they made the bathrooms better for everyone, because they did it for trans people? That is an objectively better bathroom situation. I can't imagine being upset by that."

People can still manage to be upset, but if they did do that for trans people (and I'm honestly not convinced), that's fantastic, and is a perfect example of what you're talking about, I think.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Probably did it to stop Republican senators from trolling for anonymous sex a la https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Maybe she's a closeted homosexual with a poo poo fetish. I'd ask the cunt outright if she was just to shut her up. It's always the ones who are militant about their homophobia that turn out to be closet cases.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

In addition to a word for it, which I see you've gotten answers to, this comic is popular to illustrate the effect: https://i.imgur.com/LF2Avja.jpeg

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Not to mention the ramp is easier to clean off and less dangerous once you clear and sand/salt it.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"A rising tide lifts all ships"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"A rising tide drowns all cattle"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Early worm gets eaten alive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The early bird eats the rat poison

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Early rat poison saves the early worm

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Collateral remedy sounds nice :-)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

"The curb effect" for the little Ramos people made on curbs for wheel chairs, that turned out to be useful for delivery people, baby carriages, bicyckes, etc

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

In the disability advocacy community, we like to say that accessibility is for everyone!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I tend to think of it as positive synergy but you’re right, it does need a more defined/known term.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Affordance? I've heard of it when talking about tools or utensils that are universally usable.