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Personally I think not having karma limits is nice currently! I understand why they were used but grinding karma as a lurker on reddit was frustrating.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The comment "This" is annoying to me. Just use the upvote button!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea that seems like something that started showing up more as time went on and more users joined. The trends and jokes did get tiring.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

And my axe!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This. I usually try to avoid commenting just β€œThis” and try to give more explanation why I’m saying that. Feel like that’s the proper way of doing it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Personally I am commenting and posting much more now than ever on reddit. I want to transition to lemmy and see it grow as I refuse to use the Android reddit app.

I am not typing/imagining a comment and then not posting it here either like many people do on reddit. It seems like a good time to become less of a lurker.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Reddit has a longstanding reputation for being a hive of scum and villainy (like hosting the_donald for years, or kotakuinaction, etc). I really hope that Lemmy keeps with the general left-leaning vibes of the fediverse overall, hopefully being a good space for queer people, women, people of colour, etc.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think you do have to be careful here though. If you're too permissive you allow bigotry, but if you're too restrictive you cut off honest, good faith debate and create echo chamber silos where beliefs are never challenged.

Bigotry should never be accepted but that means non-discriminatory opinions, especially ones you disagree with, should be allowed.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Good faith is the key here. I'm all for disagreements leading to lengthy discussions and even some controversy as long as everyone is arguing in good faith.

I can't stand trolling, outright bigotry, and the normalization of literal fascist opinions as a mere "disagreement". If a "disagreement" (you know which ones I mean) will lead to people dying if enabled, I'm pretty happy keeping those ideas out.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

/r/jailbait needed a spotlight in the national news from Anderson Cooper to get dealt with.

But (allowing for the fact that I'm still learning) by its nature I'm not sure the fediverse can stop these things in total, but the particular instances you subscribe to can. I'm unclear if INDIVIDUALS can ban instances (as far as I can tell they cannot) which I think might be a good addition. But instances can ban other instances, and eventually the fediverse will figure out which instances to put in the time-out corner for the rest of us, I think. But it will take time and might be a bit of wack-a-mole.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Posting pictures too much, including pictures of tweets or pictures of news headlines.

Please link to the fucking article.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (13 children)
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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Upvote/downvote counts mangling. Just show the real numbers, don't mess with them with an unknown "algorithm".

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Mods who are running 10 major subreddits. It gives them too much power to steer opinions.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The shadow cabal that ran Reddit

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can't wait for the screenshot of a Reddit post of a Lemmy post of an Instagram post about Elon tweeting some shit.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Mod culture is always odd to me. I kind of wish there was more community modderation, and less dictators for life running things.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Getting banned in one subreddit you never participated in for daring to have a comment (regardless of the content of that comment) in another subreddit.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I see the same shit in the Fediverse though. Mastodon admins blocking a server just because they refused to participate in a shared block list.

Someone’s going to make a script to ban a non-local user based on your remote posts, I guarantee it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

gatekeeping, censorship, shadowbans from commenting in a different community, echo chambers.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Shadowbans especially. Either ban a post or not, but don't make the poster think everyone can still see it without explanation.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As a new community we need to identify and stamp out bad actors immediately and thoroughly (spammers, selfservers, ads disguised as posts, brigading, illegal content, racism, you get the idea).
We can't control if they create their own instances, but we can isolate them.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Realized another - the awards that reddit created were out of control. I didn't mind avatars too much since customization can be fun and it was optional, but the awards are spammed and shown on most reddit clients.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I actually support awards here with the option of hiding them, i think it'd be a good, relatively ethical way to monetize lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

funding is better than monetizing a platform

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Bullshit moderation.
Reddit was so full of hateful shit. Reddit's AEO (Anti Evil Operations, basically the admins personal "mod team", probably outsourced to some country with lacking English skills) would continue to tell me that the most blatant hateful comments do not violate Reddit's ToS. Meanwhile, you get (perma) banned for the most ridiculous & mundane things at times, like saying that a fascist Italy should get kicked out of the EU & NATO. Apparently this is considered "spreading hate" and they even denied my appeal, explaining that both institutions require the members to be democratic. Meanwhile all the racism on subs like /r/europe would go unpunished. I also tried to report similar comments to mine as hate, but containing less popular countries like Turkey, and unsurprisingly they also didn't see it as hate.

Getting harassed by other users that reply on all your comments & follow you around? Nope, no violation.
Questioning the title & picture relation of a governmental account? Apparently harassment / bullying worth a 7 day ban.
Calling out dehumanization? Perma ban in a sub.
Perma ban in a sub? Perma ban in another sub for complaining about it, for "ban evasion".
Speaking out against predatory monetization methods & FOMO tactics in modern video games? Getting attacked & insulted by users and consequently perma banned for being "an asshole troll" - none of the attacks & insults were removed, let alone punished.

What isn't a violation? Racism, transphobia, homophobia, calls for violence, etc.
In regards to big hate subs it is also mostly the case that Reddit only goes and does something against them when there's some sort of media attention around it. When it directly affects their potential income. Maybe if advertisers start to complain about it.

The enforcement of the rules is so random at this point that I don't even know what one is allowed to say, or why I even should care about accounts and the platform as a whole. I understand that moderation of big platforms is not an easy task, but one surely can do better than whatever the hell Reddit is doing nowadays.

In regards to specifically Lemmy I would say they aren't up to a good start with the controversial admin team and their extremist views.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The nice thing about federation is that you can always go somewhere else if you disagree with a particular instance.

Lemmy's devs have questionable politics at best. IMO, I don't care as long as it doesn't impact how they run the site - people have a right to their own opinions, as long as those opinions don't harass or hurt others directly.

But let's say they changed one day. Maybe one day they added something to the code forcing everyone to praise the CCP or else.

Because the software is open-source - people could fork it before the change. It's out there already. People can totally make their own little variants of Lemmy with added features, if that's something they wanted to do. You can modify the code yourself and then self-host the modified version. No matter what Lemmy's devs do... they have no power on your instance. A fork means you own the code.

I've seen the sentiment tossed around that it's unethical to use Lemmy because if you donate to the project (or contribute to donations towards the project) you are financing people who have bad politics. That's your prerogative. I personally disagree - again, as long as your politics aren't actively contributing to harassment/harm you shouldn't be punished for them - but I understand the sentiment.

To that, I say - well, there's other options. That's the beauty of the Fediverse - you don't have any Musk or Spez that comes along to ruin everything. I'm on Kbin, which I like a lot. The dev is a great guy, and I really like how it combines the best of Lemmy and Mastodon.

Even if you want to stay on Lemmy, there are wonderful communities on Lemmy that disagree with the direction of the devs. Beehaw is a great place with a fantastic mod team, for example. You can donate to Beehaw's devs and know it's going to keep Beehaw running, and it's not the same as supporting Lemmy directly.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mods locking threads because β€œy'all can’t behave” jfc just ban accounts breaking the rules and let the rest discuss

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People taking the voting system so seriously. On Reddit people got offended by being downvoted. Sometimes people downvote just because it’s sitting at a low number.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  • Karma penalty limits
  • Reposts
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The power that the admins have. While most subreddit bans were justified, in my opinion, it just felt really off for them to have so much power.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Here admin has even more power, except it is limited to their own instance. So it is more on the user to be prepared. You don't want to be too attached to your data on a single instance. The instance might be abandoned, down, gone; the admin might go crazy. And the solution isn't to have the admin be more reasonable. The solution is to hedge your bets on multiple instances and multiple communities.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Shadow banning.. one of the most Orwellian moderation tools ever.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Lol I think over my 11 years on reddit I only had 1.6k karma.. And while I love internet points as much as the next guy it's much healthier not to even see an overall count on here. Makes me hope that they don't add it so I don't have to be constantly worrying about what my overall score is.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The forced 'inside jokes' that filled so many threads, so many times you would see a post and be able to predict the top comment and its replies. Hoping that the lack of account karma helps with that.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

These days on Reddit no one will read the linked posts and the comments are very circlejerky and lower quality. On the other hand Hacker News has mods (mostly just dang lol) vigilantly enforcing their guidelines to maintain somewhat quality discussions.

Another thing is a lot of reposting, bots, and excessive cross posting resulting in a lot of recycled garbage throughout. I miss the days where social media sites ripped off Reddit content, not the other way around.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reposts! The same 20 jokes being reposted on r/funny to the point that they're no longer funny.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (69 children)

Censorship. All the major subreddits became political echo-chambers. Reddit was founded on free speech and open discourse, especially when it was really uncomfortable. I'd love to see the same for Lemmy. Over the years I've seen authoritarianism creep into the moderation policies of most major subreddits. Today, even posting on the wrong subreddit is grounds for being banned from dozens of major subreddits. Even having a polite disagreement about, for example, anything to do with "trans," is grounds for being banned.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A relatively small thing: the 500-comment viewing limit for normal accounts. So many times on Reddit I've been put off engaging with posts with 500+ comments knowing that nobody would see it. It's stupid because comments are just text and unless the software design is absolutely terrible then simple text comments shouldn't take up bandwidth at all.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Funny that Reddit pretends to be saving you bandwidth by not loading comments, but has no problem loading 100MB of javascript bloat.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some way to cut down on bot spam / bot shills. The political manipulation in Reddit really grew thick 2015ish and never went away.

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