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They do, however, allow data caps.
These new rules are not the same as the old ones and there's definitely a handful of things that the big companies wanted that they indeed got.
I fucking hate data caps - no reason they should exist in this day and age.
No reason they should exist in any day and age.
Companies do not pay per packet. Paying more for more bandwidth or lower latency kind of makes sense because theoretically they may be prioritizing your traffic when the network is under too much load. But sending 16 petabytes costs exactly the same as 1kb in a month, assuming your connection is fast enough to handle 16 petabytes in a month.
True companies do not pay per packet but they do pay for the bandwidth. The more users that use more bandwidth consistently means the ISP needs to invest more money on throughput/links. If you have 100 users and they use 1 mbps on average you can get away with a 100mpbs link. If you have 5 users using 50mpbs on average now you need a gig link. So technically it's not free but yeah bandwidth caps suck big time. My suggestion would be to pick a place to live near a city with a municipal broadband option.
The problem ISPs ask to pay BOTH for bandwidth and for packets. Which is double payment.
Kind of. They’re asking you to pay for maximum possible bandwidth but make no claims about how long you can use that max bandwidth. Packets are only a convenient way to measure a percentage of max bandwidth use over time.
The way this works in the server world is "95th percentile" billing. They track your bandwidth usage over the course of the month (probably in 5 minute intervals), strike off the 5% highest peaks, and your bill for the month is based on the highest usage remaining.
That's considerably more honest than charging you based solely on the highest usage you could theoretically use at any time point in a 24 hour period (which is how ISPs define the "max bandwidth") and then charging you again or cutting off your service if you use more than a certain amount they won't even put in writing.
"You maybe will be able to use advertised bandwidth. As long as we want. Or maybe not."
We were supposed to build one here, but AT&T basically owns our city government lol.
They announced the project wouldn't be moving forward because they wouldn't/couldn't use imminent domain to lay fiber in peoples yards. They've used it to build 3 stadiums in the past 20 years, and knock down entire neighborhoods in the process. Literally bulldozed multiple square miles of city.
I fucking hate it here. We gave the stadium owners a bunch of money this week to renovate their stadium for some reason.
it probably means that they would have to upgrade their little bunny hopping network technology that has about 300ms latency end to end, because god forbid you roll out a simple technology and have an easy time maintaining it.
Which is probably why they do it.
Upgrade infrastructure?! No, no. That money needs to go to shareholders. There's no way millions of people need decent internet speeds more than shareholders need their 12th yacht.
you mean to tell me that rolling out fiber is cheap and that servicing it end to end is also cheap and that the latency and speeds it provides keeps customers happy meaning we have to spend less time dealing with them?
That's cool, call me when i care.
sincerely, your local ISP.
Right but if everyone sends 16 petabtyes a month the internet would collapse. Data caps do absolutely work to reduce bandwidth on a network scale. Bandwidth is measured in mbps. Limit the Mb and you reduce the necessary bandwidth.
but if everyone sent 16PB a month they would have some bomb ass connections as well, and i would sure hope as hell that it would hold up.
I dont even want to calculate how fast a connection would need to be for that to be a datacap.
More than 6 gigabytes per second
ok so basically fucking impossible. Cool.
Even 10 gig would only net you 1 and a bit gigs.
You would need 50 gig to saturate that properly.
For context 16 petabytes per month is about(slightly more than) 6 gigabytes per second. Also internet was designed during times when computers were super expensive and 100% utilization was norm.
You already buy "up to" a certain speed. When the network is congested, you just deal with it.
Trying to make people budget their internet usage is stupid and pointless.
Yep, I should be able to peg 600mbps 24/7
I have a 186GB 5G monthly limit on my 10€ mobile subscription, then (supposedly) it drops to 4G speed. I'm ok with those kind of limits because they are not there to milk people.
I checked the carriers around here and all of them unsurprisingly offer the same thing. 50GB 5G for 50€ that drop to roughly 2G speeds once the limit is reached.
Almost 20x the cost of your subscription.
I think it should be allowed to set limited data cap OR limited/guaranteed speed, but never both
Meanwhile in canada i have a plan from 2012 that was an unlimited plan they that geta throttled after 5gigs (it has been since upped to 20gigs now)
If its throttled its throttled to less than 200kbps and is basically useless
Try watching videos over I2P. 64 kbps average.
the problem here is that it's still there to milk people. It's just not like, criminal.
Oddly specific and insane limit that nobody is ever going to reach
You will if you hotspot your phone and connect your computer to it instead of paying for a home internet plan.
Yeah, this is fair. I'm spoiled with gigabit so I forgot people still do that.
Source? Didn't see anything in the article about it, and I did a quick search and couldn't find anything that says they would be allowed to impose data caps given the verbiage in the rules
My source is the document the FCC presented as their new net neutrality rules, which can be found here:
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-401676A1.pdf
Page 317-318, Section 534-535 "Application to Data Caps"
Section 534 discusses the professor who suggests data caps should be banned, and section 535 discusses how the commission disagrees and how data caps will remain.
Also, you get an upvote for asking for a source. Cheers.
Thank you! Crazy no news article caught this. Appreciate you taking the time to read the first party document