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Insects and Other Animals Have Consciousness, Experts Declare | Quanta Magazine (www.quantamagazine.org)

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An interesting read. "A group of prominent biologists and philosophers announced a new consensus: There’s “a realistic possibility” that insects, octopuses, crustaceans, fish and other overlooked animals experience consciousness." https://www.quantamagazine.org/insects-and-other-animals-have-consciousness-experts-declare-20240419/

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If consciousness is merely defined as being aware of one's surroundings: I would think that most living things have it.

Has the actual mechanism of consciousness been discovered? Do we know what causes it? Where it comes from? How it is separate from simply reacting to stimuli?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The fundamental mechanism is still unknown, however we do know some important details about consciousness:

It's not a simple binary all-or-nothing
It can change naturally or artificially
It's divisible and perhaps even additive

We know this due to a number of phenomena:

Natural variation in states like awake, alert, groggy, asleep, comatose
Altered states due to alcohol or drugs (drunk, high, caffeinated, hallucinating, suppressed with anaesthesia)
Disorders such as Body Identity Dismorphic Disorder (BIID - thinking a major limb doesn't belong to your body) or Phantom Limb (sensing an limb that isn't there). Look these up if you're unfamiliar, they're fascinating.

Together these and other observations suggest that consciousness is an emergent phenomena (not present in simple organ structures alone) and occurs along a scale, likely proportional to brain size. And just as your daily state can change (between sleep and wakefulness at minimum) it seems a reasonable hypothesis that other creatures experience something similar, though perhaps with a lower maximum awareness in their most alert state.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Also we are familiar with informational structures - thinking machines - with a greater intelligence than their single biological components. For example, an ant hive. Each individual ant is a simple creature, programmed with instructions that allow a hive of ants to manage armies, roads, farms, nurseries, exploration, hunts, and war. Likewise, humans are able to come together and form communities, nations, corporations, and religions. Compound intelligences with a vast, inhuman intelligence.

I believe that if knowledge and awareness create consciousness, then human organisations must be conscious beings.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the mechanism hasn’t been discovered because consciousness isn’t mechanical.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

What are you suggesting? What is the alternative?