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[–] [email protected] 177 points 7 months ago (5 children)

There was already a case with this same fingerprint outcome a few years ago. Biometrics are not protected from seizure.

However, passcodes still are. Last time I checked you cannot be compelled to surrender your passcode locking your phone.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Which is also why both iPhone and Android have panic/lockdown modes.

For my android, if I rapidly tap the fingerprint reader or the power key five times in a row, it locks down and will only be unlocked with a password. I understand iPhones have this same activation method too. Different Android models might have different activations, so you'd have to check the settings.

You can also just hold the power key and shut the phone down, because it's pretty standard now that upon a reboot you have to put in the pin first before you can use fingerprint.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Which is also why both iPhone and Android have panic modes.

When you are encountering police that would be seizing your phone in the near future, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST quickly shoving your hand in your pocket to try to lock your phone.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

They may take our lives, but they'll never take our phones!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Whoops. Apparently my android version has 5x power button pressed call 911.

It does require a pass code on hard power cycle though, which is what I use when going through security (when I remember)

Edit - holding power and volume down shuts the phone down

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Hah. Did the same thing. Hit cancel right away. I'm sure there's a setting to change that.

Also, you can add a "Lockdown mode" button in the power menu where there are Power off and Restart buttons. No need to power off that way.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can also just hold the power key and shut the phone down

Not on Android 14 at least, if not 13. They moved it to your slide-down menu, hold power is the assistant these days.

You might be able to change it in settings, but that's the default.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

On OneUi holding the power button still brings me to the restart, power 9ff, emergency, medical info menu.

Edit to add: Android 14, OneUi 6.1

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Out-of-the-box it's set to Wake Bixby, but it can be changed to Power off menu. One of the first things I changed when I got my phone.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Just made me almost call 911 trying it, gave me a real spook. At least I know how to quickly call 911 now

Edit: in LineageOS 21, this is configurable under Settings > Safety & emergency > Emergency SOS

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Same happened here. Didn't even know the emergency SOS mode was a thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Well I just found out my phone does this but it's half fucking baked

It's one of those foldable (clamshells) and this works while the phone is open, but even if biometrics is disabled and it asks for a password, biometrics still works to unlock the phone while folded, and then stays unlocked after opening...

So the only safe way is to shut it off completely so the storage isn't decrypted yet

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I just tried this on my iPhone and it worked like a charm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

For my android, if I rapidly tap the fingerprint reader or the power key five times in a row, it locks down and will only be unlocked with a password.

Mine just starts the camera app 😂

I probably changed the setting and forgot 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

For my iphone at least, to shut off the power you have to tap volume up, volume down & hold the power button to show the poweroff option. I think cause you can map multiple clicks to actions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Where do you get that? I can't seem to find it.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (3 children)

This is becoming a grey area.

In several states, especially where CBP is involved, there are legitimate challenges to this protetion.

Even so, biometrics SHOULD be protected under 5th amendment. The fact that it isnt seems very anti-freedom.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

give us your password

"I cannot recall"

Or are we not rich enough for that line?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Keep giving them possible passwords since you don't remember exactly what you changed it too and don't perform well under pressure.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad my passcode is 1 2 3 4 5!

They will never get that out of me!

[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

And my air shield!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Biometrics are ids like a username, not secret and something you can't change. Using them for passwords has risks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Make your password "I'll never tell" so when they ask for it, you can give it to them without lying but they still won't know it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You can also make it a statement of intent to commit or confession of an illegal act and the 5th protects you from being forced to say it.

Ijaywalk might do the trick