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I'm sure many will go back to Reddit but some wont. I for one will be staying on Lemmy as I've found it a breath of fresh air.
Same! The mood here reminds me of the good old days when everyone on Reddit wasn't a cynical asshole.
Jerboa is already a better app than Reddit's official app, so I'm quite happy to give the Lemmy and Jerboa devs time to iron out the kinks.
Wowzers. No offense at all to the Jerboa devs but this really contextualizes for me just how bad the official app must be.
I want baconreader for Lemmy!
The official Reddit really is so bad. Using Mlem on iOS for now, but I would die for an Apollo-for-Lemmy client. (Christian, plz)
That would be a perfect outcome, that Sync (What I used on Android) and Apollo (iOS) just rebuilt their apps for Lemmy.
If Sync retools to Lemmy/kbin, theyβll have me for life
LJ Dawson said he would look into it but my guess is it would require a lot of work and a whole new app.
I did notice that he killed the official sync subreddit as well as almost all of his comments on reddit. I get why people are killing their content but it just feels like reddit is going to get to play the "victor writes the history" card. Luckily i already joined the sync discord in anticipation of him killing his content for reddit.
Lemmy is fun pls
The official app is terrible beyond belief.
The main reddit app sucked so bad. I loved Joey. Would love it if they moved it to Lemmy/KBin
God why is everyone on reddit a cynical asshole?
It's a reflection of society as a whole, unfortunately.
IMO there's something about the style of vote-moderated public posting that leads people to want to posture as confident and authoritative, even when they don't have a lot to add. And cynicism is a cheap way of looking smart (since it undercuts the need to deal with complexity and nuance). So there's a constant bias towards posting cynicism or framing ideas cynically.
On the flip side, shorter comments are easier to read, and sarcastic/cynical retorts/summaries are more likely to get upvoted when they're shorter/funnier than effortposts. So there's also maybe a bias to upvote cynicism.
It really was getting bad over there. People were apt to take nearly anything you shared and fill in the blanks with their own imaginary context, then get angry and/or confrontational over it. For example, one of my last interactions was about an elderly uncle of mine who suffered from burns all over his body and gave up living after 50+ days of agony. A sad story with no purpose other than to convey the sad nature of these injuries. Hop on the next morning to find that a guy was berating me, all but certain I was somehow angry that my uncle gave up after 50 days of absolute fucking agony, and assuming I would have preferred the man just suck it up or something. I didn't know what to offer this person other than a good old fashioned "What the fuck are you talking about?"
This type of thing was becoming more and more commonplace. Just angry people expecting and assuming the worst of everyone else. If it wasn't some shitty take on an otherwise innocent post, it was unprovoked outrage over my username, even if absolutely nothing in my conduct or post history stands to suggest I'm pro-Stalin, pro-fascist, or pro-Soviet.
Reddit has gotten super hostile. Sometimes I would have someone try to start a fight with me over nothing at all, I go to their profile and the whole thing is just them picking fights with everyone. Like they aren't trolling they are just always ready to harass people about the most benign things.
Especially awful are the bigots who spend all their time dropping hateful comments on LGBTQIA posts - actively seeking them out just to kick and scream and get in everyone's faces, then moan that people are mean to them just for "asking questions" and "having opinions."
Really hoping Lemmy doesn't end up with the same problem. At very least it's small right now, and these types like to be where the crowds are so more people can hear the fuss they're making.
Yup I'm staying here too. It's already feeling like home.
Yeah, I'm sold on Lemmy too.
You didn't have to buy it, it's free. /S
Dad, stop it! Mom said to remind you the the roof still needs fixingβ¦
Iβm fully committed regardless of how good the replacement is. I paid for Reddit premium every month since 2016 to try and support the thing I loved. I gave out 65+ gold before premium to also support a thing a loved.
I cancelled premium after the AMA and deleted Apollo. No going back period.
This might be why they have not seen a monetary hit yet, it won't be until people's premium cancellations hit that Reddit will see a cash flow issue.
The Humanist Report on YouTube lost monetization last month and he slowly saw his subscriber count drop day by day as people's subscriptions got canceled instead of renewed after 31 days he was somehow still at 9 subscribers. Fortunately he did a video and called out YouTube and people went on his patreon to fund him instead of him relying at all on YouTube. He got monetization back but you can never trust YouTube to not screw people.
They won't see much of a monetary hit from most of the people that were using the free API. It will be like YT since 2017; a slow decline and complete loss of technical utility. It will be another zombie garbage platform because this is all the company is focused on. It is a massively oversimplified perspective of where value is created in reddit. I believe the entire house of cards is anchored by the most niche and obscure places that have useful information and support. Monetizing the types of users that make up these communities is completely counter productive. These are the true influencing anchor users that everyone is grounded to all the way down the intellectual pyramid (plateau). All the other social stuff is peripheral to the technical utility of knowing you can find an answer to a super obscure question by asking on reddit. It is just like how you used to be able to find the answer on YT; now you can't find that one video posted by the expert that had 3 uploads 10 years ago. This is the change reddit is making. It will take time for this utility to errode away but this outcome is guaranteed.
Google has been evil for a while now
Same here. This morning I've removed my ten years worth of content from Reddit as I don't want them to even generate the slightest bit of revenue from it, removed my account and do not feel bad about it in the slightest.
I'm done with the way Reddit handles the community feedback and done with the "don't you dare to have a differing opinion or we'll downvote to oblivion" mentality that prevailed in a number of subreddits.
The latter is just human nature. You're not going to get away from that especially as lemmy grows π€·
Yeah, as much as people say they're meant to serve a different purpose, the upvote and downvote buttons will always serve as "I agree" and "I disagree" buttons.
I disagree! >:( downvotes
Yeah, guess that's true. But for now I'll just enjoy the more positive vibe I've picked up so far.
I deleted 15 years of comments last week. Nothing too valuable lost but it's definitely the end of an era. Looking forward to something new and not corporate owned.
what tool did you use to delete your comments?
Once June 30th hits, I'm wiping my reddit account and moving over here. Seems much nicer here
already wiped my account :D
I'm not sure how many users will actually stay away. But if even a small fraction of the mods for these big subs stay away Reddit's gonna have a problem.
Lemmy will pull some mods away, traditional forums will pull some away, and that could really hurt.
However, only time will tell if that ends up happening.
Reddit is already due for a problem regardless of what the mods decide to do. Bots are no longer going to be a thing thus multiplying the work required for a mod by an unknown factor
Wait, can you explain this a bit more? I'm not the most tech savvy, but I'm reading this as things like automod and gandolf bot all being gone - the former being potentially worse? (No hate to LOTR fans, of course!)
Most mod tools and bots rely on API access and are just as affected by this change as third-party Reddit clients.
After the outrage started, Reddit has stated that they will make exceptions for mod tools and accessibility apps, but it requires manual approval, and a number are likely to be declined in spite of it. Particularly when considering that a lot of moderators made use of mod tools which were contained within these third-party clients that are shutting down, and are likely not going to be spun off into separate tools.
Yeah many people don't really realize just how bad it is when moderators leave, especially for a platform like Reddit where the mods are unpaid volunteers. On a different platform where they pay moderators they could just hire new ones, but with Reddit currently hemorrhaging money they are very much not going to be able to hire brand new moderators for every mainline sub.
Plus you have to account for the fact that while there are people who might be able to take their place now that number will quickly diminish I say become swamped with work and lack the proper tools to do decent moderation. It does not bode well for Reddit's future.
Yeah I agree, honestly I just get real sick of corporate assholes and get unreasonably angry, so I don't want to "give-in". I've been going back on RIF to spread word of Lemmy to see what I can do, but come July 1st, that won't really be an option anymore since I'll have to navigate through their ad-ridden app and will eventually give them money.
Likewise. Decentralization is the future
I was able to make an account on here finally, I'm never going back now! Woohoo! Gonna go use one of those reddit data deletion tools this afternoon.
Same here, the engagement level is well worth the transition and I'm tired of corporate silos, federation FTW!
Honestly I'm just waiting to see if short story communities move over. I liked to pass the time reading things like nosleep stories, and if those communities move over here I'll delete Boost and only use Lemmy, but so far I haven't seen much.
Iβm so glad to not see ads all over the place. Iβm also glad to not see low-level top comments; so far the conversations have been of higher quality, theyβre more thought-out. I havenβt been back to Reddit since Monday, and although itβs been a learning curve and a little tough without the amount of content, Iβm enjoying lemmy quite a bit.
TBH i didn't know there's something like lemmy in the fediverse before reddit did what they did to shut down subreddits.
But I'm really glad that they did this and that I found lemmy because of it. The whole tech behind it and the decentralization is very fascinating and I'm happy that I can see how it all will evolve over time, hopefully keeping the imo very good and positive course. :)
Maybe I'll look at reddit every now and then, but at least my intention is to stay here and use lemmy more often than reddit. ^-^
Same. Already moderating here, but I doesn't even have to, really, because everyone is nice for now
I think I'll comment here but mainly lurk there at times. It's still good if I'm looking for something that has to do with my hobbies, unless this booms than that will change things.
Yep. I have no ties to Reddit, other than the name. Lemmy has proven to fill the void the last few days, so this is where I'm staying.