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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All good :)

Now that I have your attention though, what would be a good counter argument on why trans women should be allowed to compete in the same league as non-trans women (please excuse my lacking vocabulary)?

Like I mentioned, at first sight as a layman, the argument that trans women would have an competitive advantage makes sense to me. So I'd be grateful if you could take away my ignorance.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

First for the vocabulary:

non-trans = cisgender. cis meaning "same," as in "same gender as assigned at birth."

Second, I'm not the best at doing that, but I know of a really good report which has good citations of studies and really thoroughly discusses the issue. PDF WARNING: It can be found here.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the former, guess I should have known that, but I'll be sure to remember now. As for the second... I'm interested in the answer, but not 86 pages scientific report interested. Guess I'll just have to wait around for the "water droplet"-size answer, but thanks for your patience nonetheless :)

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The hardest part with this conversation is that there isn't really a satisfying short answer, but I can try to give one.

The biological differences between men and women that most people think of as giving men an advantage over women in sports are counteracted by hormone replacement therapy, and do not give trans women athletes an advantage over cis women athletes. Some of the arguments, such as bone density being higher in men, are literally taken word-for-word out of segregationist rhetoric- and ignores the fact that black women have higher bone density than most men. There is not a clear scientific reason to exclude trans women who are undergoing HRT from sports.

That's it, that's the answer. But I feel like that's just asking you to take my word for it- all of that and more is backed up by science in the report I linked.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For what it's worth, I never checked the size of the corona virus particle either, so I'm fine with having to take your word for it :)

It also sounds like this could be confirmed by the drug testing, which is already in place anyway, and would ensure that participants have the proper hormone level that wouldn't give them an advantage. (I also just now remember that this was literally the plot point of a Futurama episode.)

Thanks for taking the time to answer me. I don't need the complete fine details, but it is a satisfying answer.