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[–] [email protected] 227 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

As a software developer, the less ambiguous your notation is, the better it is for everyone involved. Not only will I use brackets, I'll split my expression into multiple rows and use tabs to make it as readable as humanly possible. And maybe throw a comment or 2 if there's still some black magic involved

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No just write the entire code in one line totally perfect.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"don't worry, you just need this simple one-liner to fix your project"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The one-liner: *parses HTML with a regex*

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

cthulhu fthagn

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That almost seems cute next to the shit the obfuscated c contest pulls off. https://www.ioccc.org/years.html

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For some context this is one of the winning entries:

#include <stdio.h>

#define N(a) "%"#a"$hhn" #define O(a,b) "%10$"#a"d"N(b) #define U "%10$.*37$d" #define G(a) "%"#a"$s" #define H(a,b) G(a)G(b) #define T(a) a a #define s(a) T(a)T(a) #define A(a) s(a)T(a)a #define n(a) A(a)a #define D(a) n(a)A(a) #define C(a) D(a)a #define R C(C(N(12)G(12))) #define o(a,b,c) C(H(a,a))D(G(a))C(H(b,b)G(b))n(G(b))O(32,c)R #define SS O(78,55)R "\n\033[2J\n%26$s"; #define E(a,b,c,d) H(a,b)G(c)O(253,11)R G(11)O(255,11)R H(11,d)N(d)O(253,35)R #define S(a,b) O(254,11)H(a,b)N(68)R G(68)O(255,68)N(12)H(12,68)G(67)N(67)

char* fmt = O(10,39)N(40)N(41)N(42)N(43)N(66)N(69)N(24)O(22,65)O(5,70)O(8,44)N( 45)N(46)N (47)N(48)N( 49)N( 50)N( 51)N(52)N(53 )O( 28, 54)O(5, 55) O(2, 56)O(3,57)O( 4,58 )O(13, 73)O(4, 71 )N( 72)O (20,59 )N(60)N(61)N( 62)N (63)N (64)R R E(1,2, 3,13 )E(4, 5,6,13)E(7,8,9 ,13)E(1,4 ,7,13)E (2,5,8, 13)E( 3,6,9,13)E(1,5, 9,13)E(3 ,5,7,13 )E(14,15, 16,23) E(17,18,19,23)E( 20, 21, 22,23)E (14,17,20,23)E(15, 18,21,23)E(16,19, 22 ,23)E( 14, 18, 22,23)E(16,18,20, 23)R U O(255 ,38)R G ( 38)O( 255,36) R H(13,23)O(255, 11)R H(11,36) O(254 ,36) R G( 36 ) O( 255,36)R S(1,14 )S(2,15)S(3, 16)S(4, 17 )S (5, 18)S(6, 19)S(7,20)S(8, 21)S(9 ,22)H(13,23 )H(36, 67 )N(11)R G(11)""O(255, 25 )R s(C(G(11) ))n (G( 11) )G( 11)N(54)R C( "aa") s(A( G(25)))T (G(25))N (69)R o (14,1,26)o( 15, 2, 27)o (16,3,28 )o( 17,4, 29)o(18 ,5,30)o(19 ,6,31)o( 20,7,32)o (21,8,33)o (22 ,9, 34)n(C(U) )N( 68)R H( 36,13)G(23) N(11)R C(D( G(11))) D(G(11))G(68)N(68)R G(68)O(49,35)R H(13,23)G(67)N(11)R C(H(11,11)G( 11))A(G(11))C(H(36,36)G(36))s(G(36))O(32,58)R C(D(G(36)))A(G(36))SS

#define arg d+6,d+8,d+10,d+12,d+14,d+16,d+18,d+20,d+22,0,d+46,d+52,d+48,d+24,d
+26,d+28,d+30,d+32,d+34,d+36,d+38,d+40,d+50,(scanf(d+126,d+4),d+(6
-2)+18*(1-d[2]%2)+d[4]*2),d,d+66,d+68,d+70, d+78,d+80,d+82,d+90,d+
92,d+94,d+97,d+54,d[2],d+2,d+71,d+77,d+83,d+89,d+95,d+72,d+73,d+74
,d+75,d+76,d+84,d+85,d+86,d+87,d+88,d+100,d+101,d+96,d+102,d+99,d+
67,d+69,d+79,d+81,d+91,d+93,d+98,d+103,d+58,d+60,d+98,d+126,d+127,
d+128,d+129

char d[538] = {1,0,10,0,10};

int main() { while(*d) printf(fmt, arg); }

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I tried to read that out loud and summoned something. Please help me, I'm scared.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I thought this was a simple piece of software?

Pinhead: No. It is a means by which to summon us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Give in. Let it take you.

Everything is okay. Shhhhhhh.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

this straight up looks like a chemical formula

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If I cross my eyes hard enough on mobile... I imagine I can see dickbutt in there somewhere...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Further up the thread, someone mentioned that writing good software is about communicating concepts to people, first and foremost.

This, code obfuscation, is what it looks like to communicate exclusively to the compiler instead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For real though, I have written some truly monstrous operations in Excel.

What do you mean you want to use Excel to manage everyone’s calendars? And now you want to export that horribly built calendar management spreadsheet to Google Calendar? What do you mean you want the Google Calendar entries automatically formatted based on who is working on a particular day? I mean yes it’s possible but-…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

VBA has made things so, so much easier since I started learning how to use it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Well, this is exactly what mathematicians do.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (6 children)

As a professor said, most programming languages don't care about readability and whitespace. But we care because humans need it to parse meaning. Thus, write code for people, not for the machine. Always assume that someone with no knowledge of the context will have to debug it, and be kind to them. Because that someone might be you in six months when you have completely forgotten how the code works.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Exactly. You read code way more times than you write it, so it makes all the sense in the world to prioritize readability.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Source code is for humans, then the compiler turns it into code for machines.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Python forcing end of line and tabs kinda does. Add Black auto-formatter and it's pretty good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen too many Python devs write out complex statements all on one crammed up line. Including some that are in the main docs.

Enforced whitespace is just one aspect of readable code. There are many others, and Python is no better at enforcing those than any other language.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That would probably make very long lines and black would automatically add returns to line with proper indentations. But it has a a limit for sure. If you chain many list comprehensions it's going to be a mess.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yep, if you're writing code for a machine, just do it in binary to save compilation time (/s just in case). Also, you in six months will indeed be someone with no knowledge of the context. And every piece of code you think you write for one-time use is guaranteed to be reused every day for the next 5 years

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

And every piece of code you think you write for one-time use is guaranteed to be reused every day for the next 5 years

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This. Always be kind to your future self.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I totally agree. You can minimize and optimize as part of your build procedure/compilation but the source code should be as readable as possible for humans.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had someone submit a pull request recently that, in addition to their actual changes, also removed every single parenthesis that wasn't strictly necessary in a file full of 3D math functions. I know it was probably the fault of an autoformatter they used, but I was still the most offended I've ever been at a pull request.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Autoformatter? More like obfuscator

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I genuinely hate being human for this stuff. So many things have such crazy computational shortcuts, it's sometimes difficult to remember which part represents reality. Outside of the realm of math, where "imaginary" numbers are still a touch of enigma to me, so many algorithms are based on general assumptions about reality or the specific task, that the programmatic approach NEVER encapsulates the full scope of the problem.

As in, sometimes if you know EXACTLY how a tool works, you might still have no idea about the significance of that tool. Even in a universe where no one is lazy, and everyone wants to know "why?", the answers are NOT forthcoming.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As someone who used to code in Lisp, I'm all for excessive paranthesis use.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Ok but that's unrelated to putting some numbers and operations in a calculator. No one is going to proofread that. If anything, you simply calculate it again.