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[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The project is in an too early phase to debate over SystemD. Can you guys please hold back with these arguments until pmOS reaches at least 4% market share.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

There is no minimum market share threshold to discuss the way the software you use is being developed and PostmarketOS will not reach 4% in the foreseeable future (and it probably never will). Desktop Linux only just reached that threshold after decades of work and systemd arguments have been happening for years regardless. The conditions for mobile Linux are considerably less favorable. If we can't discuss systemd until 4% is reached, we can't discuss systemd ever. Which is fair, because the systemd horse has already been beaten to death at this point. But not because it hasn't reached some arbitrary 4% threshold. That makes no sense.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

If we can't discuss systemd until 4% is reached, we can't discuss systemd ever. Which is fair, because the systemd horse has already been beaten to death at this point.

Exactly :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Well you're right but the more postmarketOS grows, the harder it is to switch to another init system

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

They are giving options, no one is forced anything. People should complain upstream at init systems and ~~desktop~~mobile environments.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why would you want to. Systemd is the standard for a reason.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It does have disadvantages. The only real advantage of it is the completeness of system administration tools. Since they aren't that much needed on a phone and the performance of that class of devices is not groundbreaking, using another init system is a good idea. Though it depends on what the specific user wants of course. As long as there is a way to change the init system, it shouldn't be a problem

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Another init will be slower and will require much more time and resources though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't believe. Do you have any proof of that?

[–] xcjs 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Systemd was created to allow parallel initialization, which other init systems lacked. If you want proof that one processor core is slower than one + n, you don't need to compare init systems to do that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I've never heard of that. I only heard that other init systems usually have better performance. And well even if it's not the case, security is another massive concern

[–] xcjs 4 points 8 months ago

I mean, sysvinit was just a bunch of root-executed bash scripts. I'm not sure if systemd is really much worse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago