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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Which fighter is a better match than an F-35 if you want stealth? (If you don't want stealth, you aren't looking at a F-35) The A model is damn nice for most, and the B model wipes the floor with the VTOL competition. There is damn good reason over 1,000 of these have been produced already and orders keep coming in.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't doubt that F-35 has some good stats, I am looking at this from a more general perspective, what I have seen is that because F-35 costs substantially more than other fighters this limits countries that does not have a US level defense budget on how many planes they can afford, for example instead of 50 F-16 they end up with 10-20 F-35.

And by looking at those numbers it seems like they get less defense for the same amount even if F-35 is better than the alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From what I've seen, the F-35 defeats enemy F-16s because of its advanced sensors. Mostly it's firing missiles at things beyond visual range. Plus it has stealth capabilities that avoid detection and retaliation.

It's worth the cost because you lose fewer experienced pilots, which are the real bottleneck for an air force.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I was talking about countries replacing their old F-16s and the F-35 was not the only candidate.

Look at what Belgium were considering in 2018 https://www.brusselstimes.com/48129/eurofighter-there-are-only-two-real-candidates-for-f-16-replacement

Edit: it's so funny, to me it seems you have to be a F-35 fanboy in this thread, Reddit vibes...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Belgium ultimately picked the F-35 over the Eurofigher, and found that it would come in cheaper than projected. But I guess Belgium are F-35 fanboys.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Sometimes it's hard to communicate, I write A and people read Purple.

If you feel that my ultimate point was to talk about fanboys that's fine by me.

Sometimes you just need to accept things and move on.

Thanks for the non credible discussion 😁

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, if a country doesn't need stealth, they really shouldn't be purchasing stealth. Most countries will probably want a mix of both. Stealth for air dominance and heavily-contested, high-value strikes, and fourth generation air frames to provide bulk ordnance delivery.

With the exception of VTOL, in which the F-35B is the only reasonable option, even if you don't need stealth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, if you already have air superiority and you just need a bomb truck, you can't go better than strapping a ton of hard points onto a crop duster and raining hell

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I hear you have also heard of the US' newest aircraft, the armed crop duster! (Not a joke, this is a real thing, and it works for exactly the reasons you said)

https://www.twz.com/modified-crop-duster-chosen-for-special-ops-armed-overwatch-mission