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‘It went nuts’: Thousands join UK parents calling for smartphone-free childhood (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It seriously is part 'those damn phones'.

I was a kid long before smart devices, cities were the same urban hellscapes.

Instant gratification from unknown sources under the direction of a 9 year old is a serious problem and people like you who pretend its not are probably part of the generation damaged most by it.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Instant gratification from unknown sources under the direction of a 9 year old is a serious problem and people like you who pretend its not are probably part of the generation damaged most by it.

Eh, I have to agree begrudgingly. I remember having this discussion with someone I know about mental health post smartphones. We came across a few studies tracking mental health of adolescents for the past few decades. To compensate for lack of data (due to lack of mental health awareness, yadayadayada), they tried to inductively predict this missing data using various factors. The interesting part however was the increase in mental health issues in the early 2010s. Now of course, while their data might be quite error prone, I think it makes sense logically.

  1. More exposure to fked up world events (like Gaza, Ukraine, lack of climate action and so on) leads to one being depressed of course.
  2. In my experience, faceless trolls are much worse than in person bullies.

So yeah, I do agree with you. The situation is not black and white. Unfortunately, the uncool boomers (sorry for the lame term,-I use it to not generalize all boomers) do not see it that way. Banning smartphones in schools is one of the stupidest things to do. Uncool boomers purely blame smartphones, and almost always engage dialog in bad faith. It's mudslinging basically.

Now, if I present a nuanced opinion here, it won't be considered at all. Essentially similar to the "leftist long paragraph" meme. Therefore, to combat this, mudslinging back is most effective. At least it drives home some idea (in this case, the idea of walkable city design). Is this bad faith? Yea, unfortunately. But does it make sense to try to have a good faith dialog with someone who doesn't want to have one?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry no, there have been several studies about the negative mental health impacts of always on social media life in teens but you just like muddying the waters so you pretend it's anyone's game and give a backhand at the end of your drivel.

Pretty sophisticated but still just forum sliding bullshit.

Edit: ITT people butthurt about being called out on their toxic social media habits

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Sorry no, there have been several studies about the negative mental health impacts of always on social media life in teens but you just like muddying the waters so you pretend it’s anyone’s game and give a backhand at the end of your drivel.

I haven't come across these, but I don't deny their existence. I just wrote down what I've come across myself. I already agreed with you on this point.

Pretty sophisticated but still just forum sliding bullshit.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. But as you demonstrated just now, you are not interested in engaging in good faith. You are still stuck on the "social media bad" train, when I already agreed with you on that. This is exactly what I mean by mudslinging. People just want to repeat certain phrases again and again, progressively louder and louder while vomiting ad hominems left and right.

It isn't "forum sliding" if the topic is indeed that complex. But as I stated before, you are not ready to move on from "social media bad". Hence, how can one engage in good faith in such a scenario?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
  1. More exposure to fked up world events (like Gaza, Ukraine, lack of climate action and so on) leads to one being depressed of course.

What should I do if I live somewhere where fucked up event happens now? Or what kid in Belgorod/Odessa should do?

  1. In my experience, faceless trolls are much worse than in person bullies.

People have different experiences. Mine is opposite. It happens.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

What should I do if I live somewhere where fucked up event happens now? Or what kid in Belgorod/Odessa should do?

Suffer. Studies like these are American/European centric in the first place. Their sample size never includes other countries (not because the researchers are evil lmao, but because they want to isolate this "phone factor"). A kid in Odessa is most likely suffering from the war today rather than suffering from the effects of Instagram.