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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Yeah give your phone a 20% battery handicap out of the box because of your battery degredation paranoia. Dumbest shit ever.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not paranoia, it's an issue of how Li-ion batteries work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Literally. It even extends to other Lithium based chemistries too, like LiFePo4.

It's not like this information is hiding either - ask a battery manufacturer/distributor for a Li-ion cell's charge cycle data, what you'll find is most manufacturers only guarantee 300-500 cycles before the battery has lost 80% of its usable capacity at 100% DoD and charging to the 100% SoC voltage. Decreasing just the maximum SoC to 90% brings massive battery longevity gains, where estimated cycles increase to 1000 (and beyond in some cases), while still retaining over 80% of the battery's usable capacity.

All my personal devices that I've checked sadly target 100% SoC voltage and charge rate, without regard for the longevity of the battery. Just seems almost like they've just punched in the numbers from the "ABSOLUTE MAX RATINGS" part of the datasheet and called it a day.

It's a little disappointing that a lot of people are under the belief that their product has been designed to last as long as it can, when in most cases this intentionally or accidentally isn't the case right now, in industries outside of backup power and EVs

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I just charge my phone to full when it's at like 20 and then unplug it when it's done charging. Have had this phone for like 2 and a half years and I don't have noticeable degradation, but it's a flagship samsung phone so I know they typically have pretty good cells in them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I hear the same argument about EVs, where many charge to 80%. Sometimes you need that extra juice, and by all means use it. Other times you're only going to the grocery store, or sitting at your desk all day, and you can stay plugged in and you don't really need that 20%. It's no real skin off your nose either way.

Then, years from now when you need as much energy as your battery can give, you haven't lost it to degradation and you really haven't lost much along the way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I very rarely need a full charge when I get a new phone. Battery rarely drops under 50% unless it's a heavy use day. However, that same phone 3 years later will be causing me issues because the battery doesn't last through the day.

I would happily trade off 20% max battery in the first few years, to get a healthier battery 4 years down the line.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Why wait 10 years to get a 20% battery degradation when you can have it today!?