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Why can’t we have federated identity to login into fediverse instead of creating login for each instance?

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Please tell me you haven't been creating accounts on every instace. You can register on one instance then use that account to interact with content and communities on all other instances.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

No, but some people are discussing about creating new logins, so I want to clarify. Thanks for the clarification.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Some people do make this mistake, I've seen a thread or two asking about it after they already started. We'll need a proper solution eventually, likely education/tutorial-based.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem will stay there as long as lemmy links don't automatically redirect to your instance in somr way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

True, but changing this is unfortunately unfeasible with the way the web works. If I just access the URL of a post on instance A, there is no reasonable way for it to know that my home instance is B.

There should at least be a button or something that sends you to your home instance after entering the domain though. Other than that, we'll have to keep using browser addons and userscripts...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Literally every single explanation of Lemmy or fediverse that I have seen makes this really clear. I don't understand where people would get the idea that you have to sign up to every site.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is really clear until a newb tries to use it:

  • Someone gives you a link, or you find it in search
  • You click on the link, because that's what you do with links
  • It takes you to what you are looking for, but it says you have to log in to comment or vote
  • You log in so you can comment or vote

The UX for interacting with off-instance subs is abysmal. What is even worse is that as far as I can tell, there is no way to link a post or comment that is instance relative / instance independent.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is no way to link a post or comment that is instance relative / instance independent

I'm commenting mainly as a reminder to myself to check back later if someone comes in with a correction.

That said, the answer to this in the long term should be for the front ends (Lemmy UI, Jerboa, Sync for Lemmy, etc.) to be smart about this. My Mastodon app, Megalodon, does it. If you click a link to a post in another instance, it automatically looks up the same post from your instance and takes you there. It's a little slower (and Megalodon shows you a button to short-circuit it and just go to that URL if you don't care to be on your instance), but it lets you interact with the post as normal.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even at the most basic level it is broken - at the bottom of your comment is a "context" button with the fediverse symbol. If I click on it, it won't take me to the comment on my instance (lemmy.world) but instead is an absolute link to the comment on your instance (Aussie.world) even though the community lives on lemmy.world.

I love lemmy, and I think it has a bright future, but this fundamental problem really needs to be fixed.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're probably looking at the rainbow pentagon button, which behaves as you describe. There's also a kind of chain link button. That one should take you to the context within your own instance. At least on web that's how it works. Different apps may display differently.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The tooltip doesn't help either - both links only have a tooltip that just says link... IMHO it should be Link to this comment on CURRENT_INSTANCE_DOMAIN for the chain icon thing, and Link to this comment on COMMENTER_INSTANCE for the rainbow thing.

Anyway, the issue about this messy behavior described by @[email protected] is here https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1048

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh good, it should be coming in 0.18.2. Nice.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because when you click a link out of link Google or something you try to login and it says your login doesn't work. To actually view that page properly you have to copy the link go you home instance and search it again then go to the post and then you can interact with it. Some people either A. don't realize that or B. Don't understand that's how it all functions. It confused the shit out of me for the first couple days but I just didn't care enough to create a new account because my account "should" have worked there I just didn't know how to make that happen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The process to open a link on your home instance is just way too complicated right now. Some sort of browser presence could help redirect users to the right places.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Agreed I haven't spent much time using Lemmy on an app but I'm hoping those can make it easier somehow atleast for mobile users.

[–] Stefh 1 points 1 year ago

And now we know how the Fediverse got all that users in the last period 😆

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a newb to Fediverse, I agree because it is ambiguous how to use one account for several instances. I've browsed the web for several hours. But I only found out that the above is not a one-size-fits-all because some instances require registration.

Also, saying that an account can be created to access communities in my experience, implies I can only see and minimally interact on those instances. But I cannot go as far as posting anything because as I previously stated, I need an account on the said instance to do that.

I see the Fediverse being an umbrella of apps/services. However, from my experience, they're not synchronized. More like silos.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's a bit of an issue, there's a lot of concepts that can get subtly mis-communicated. I wrote this awhile ago, as I felt it helps navigate more intuitively when you have a full top-level view of the whole idea in the first place:

https://lemmy.world/post/527260

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Yes but it's a bit of a mess to interact with lemmy from a Mastodon account though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No some communities need a new login. lemmy NSFW has no content without it. th there's the issue of having a slow instance like world vs another instance

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't need a new a account for this, just make sure you have "Show NSFW" enabled in your profile.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not exactly because some instances defederate other instances. I'm pretty sure lemmynsfw is defederated by some instances (like Beehaw I think??), meaning you'd need an account on another instance in order to most properly view and participate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Beehaw is not defederated from lemmynsfw.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right. I'm not sure why I thought they were. I wonder if they were temporarily at some point???? Or maybe I am just having a massive brain fart.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You might be thinking of lemmygrad or lemmyworld, there's a lot of lemmynames around these days :)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Also it's kinda practical to have an alt for lemmynsfw since account activity is openly available

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

PornLemmy.com shows all comment even without an account

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does lemmynsfw.com and pornlemmy.com federate?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think they do

[–] syl 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Others have already said, but I will reinterate:

You have to go to your account settings and enable "Show NSFW". It is off by default.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nah, it's been enabled, it's literally just that instance that wont show anything without an account on their instance.

Unless you mean the setting for my *.world account can be on everywhere else but OFF on the *nsfw instance alone??

[–] syl 1 points 1 year ago

I have an account on .world and can see NSFW content from lemmynsfw..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

this is the sturm and drang of every collaborative work I guess. Those led by a single person / company will produce a more streamlined but restrictive product. Those led by committee produce a more chaotic but free experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I registered on a bunch and they all went down except for the biggest ones