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[โ€“] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm a linux developer of 25+ years and I'm permanently banned from /r/linux because I dared criticize systemd.

My answer is therefore: Power-tripping mods. Where mods are required, ensure the community has the ability to oust them.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shitting on someone just for not liking systemd is really stupid. FOSS thrives on diversity, and having alternatives to systemd's parts will always be a plus. I'm okay with systemd myself, but it's easy to understand why some might not like it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The Linux community tends to have some ego which think they have figured it all out, elitism is a problem which needs to be addressed more often in my opinion.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

There was a mod drama over there at Linux too. After a while, the power tripping mod was kicked out and a lot of the banned accounts were restored (including one of mine). Things were okay until spez.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you don't mind me asking, what is bad about systemd is there a post anywhere?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I was having a whinge about it here the other day. Just a sec while I dig up the corpse...

Systemd* removes choice*, and it was designed to do so. That is why there is so much anger. It is bad software design, by design. It flies in the face of the core linux principles, all in the name of homogenising the linux ecosystem, and you know exactly which big corporations benefit from that.

The simple fact is: today, if I want to run a mainstream distro without Systemd, I cannot. Its cancerous tentacles run so deep that decoupling it from a mainstream distro, and keeping it decoupled, is a full time job.

Instead I have no choice but to run a smaller, less featured, less secure and less funded alternative. Good luck getting Gnome to work without systemd.

Full credit to Devuan, MxLinux, Artix, and the other united underdogs.

Fuck you Redhat/IBM and your proxy evil-doer Lennart.

But if you want to read more about how why others hate systemd, there's no shortage of material:

https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd

https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Main_Page.html

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21616608

http://www.galexander.org/systemd_sucks.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18873851

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate systemd, but my Gentoo is running gnome just fine with openrc.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Indeed, it seems I was wrong. However, I've just had a look at the "Gnome without systemd project" for Gentoo. The fact it is an entire project kinda supports my point.

I mean, just have a look at that project and how much effort it takes to run Gnome without systemd. It would almost be easier to install LFS.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You're not wrong. Never the less I'm thankfull that some people took the effort to make stuff run without crapd.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

A ban transparency list, kinda like a certificate transparency list, would be great but the big issue is that you can't keep publicly hosting prohibited content...

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm waiting for that to get implemented in Lemmy, but I feel like that is going to take a while unless volunteers get it working.