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I'm curious, which part is a myth? I only see facts and not all of them paint America as great.
These things exist elsewhere, besides. Just not always in "the West."
Americans size doesn't excuse their ignorance and a lot of other countries don't believe they are the only country the way americans do.
Let me simplify this. Would you go to a forum with an address in .ar and complain that the discussion doesn't pertain to you? You wouldn't, but you are just blindly hateful of Americans for whatever reason.
Fine if you want your websites to be an american echo chamber you do you. Thats what you want not me and thats not what sites you probably claim to be american advertise themselves as either.
America is far from a monolith. Our states roughly equate to different European countries with vastly different cultures, foods, rights and laws.
We just speak dialects that are almost all the same and roll up under one political entity. It is not so dissimilar than the EU, otherwise.
We are, in many practical terms a forced confederation with a shared Constitution. There are those, like in the EU, who want out.
Edit: the shared single language is one of our under-recognized super-powers. I can travel this huge land mass and communicate viably everywhere. It is key to our cultural impact. It is accidental, but helpful to us. Except when we have people who dislike our impact and become hostile.
Except that's not true states are no where near similar to countries. Hell a lot of european countries are arguably more diverse internally by far than america examples include the spanish regions, french regions, italian regions and so many others. To argue the US is like the EU is to completely ignore the independence of EU counties and how each of those organizations work to a delusional level. The US throughout its country is very culturally similar with most differences on racial and economic basis.
Sounds like we're both wrong, then.
If I drive 45 minutes east, I'm in something akin to the US south. Extremely conservative in specific ways. North a few hours and everyone distrusts anyone who didn't grow up there.
45 minutes west and I'm in everyone's favorite (not) failed city, San Francisco.
And those very conservative places I mentioned.. are quite different from south conservative. They drive the same vehicles, wear the same hats, but don't hold the same values.
California, for all its notoriety as being overly accepting has known pla es POC are advised against visiting. Some areas are very non-church and others are profoundly Christian or other religions.
We have enclaves of near-pure ethnic/cultural people tracing back to wherever. I'm not simply talking about Chinatown or Japan town.
We're not a monolith even within a small area. I didn't assert that the EU was. Only that we are more diverse than credited.
Particularly when the topic arises by people comfortable talking others how to be when they know nothing of the person or people.
Okay but comparing it to the whole EU is nonsense especially when you compare its "diversity" to only spain and find it wanting comparing the examples you gave to Catalonia vs Basque county vs Galicia and you can find similar major differences in many individual EU countries. The US is not a monolith no but compared to a multiple country alliance is insane.
You continue to assert I, or others, are saying things we are not. I have not alleged that the EU is lacking or "wanting."
I'm saying the US is far more diverse than is often credited. People are moving from one state to another because of that very reason. It is a confederation of states, by law. And our SCOTUS is making that more true each year.
I am not saying "parity" but I am saying it's far closer than your broad brush comments.
Okay but the confederation of states has one of the strongest centralization in the world so pretending the US is some bastion of local autonomy is nonsense.
I may have deleted the post, but I have posted nothing that said the EU lacked diversity nor did I start discussing the various regions of Spain.
Which Americans are you talking to? We know there are other countries and cultures. We just aren't responsible for learning deeply about all of them. No one is.
You're using some strong, broad strokes that aren't reflective of my experience at all.
You should learn about experiences outside your own that you are not is not a good thing.
I am learning those things... hell, I'm studying a completely different language and learning the history.
I think I'm not who you think I am.
The above is one example.
You don't have a high ground, here.