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Ok, so why can't I just host the data on my own device and subscribe/unsubscribe from mods' actions?
Host your own instance and that would be the case
I wouldn't be seeing what mods are censoring elsewhere. It wouldn't be the case.
Modlog is public
And I'm just supposed to check it every time I open a post?
You can, it's called hosting your own instance. It's literally one of the points of the Fediverse (i.e. 'Fuck you I don't like how you're running things, I'll go make my own with blackjack and hookers'). If an instance admin does things you don't like, you get to leave, go to a new instance, and follow the same communities you did before via that one instead.
So you're telling me hosting my own instance is called "hosting my own instance" what in the fuck
I know right? Magical!
I still wouldn't be seeing the content that mods are censoring elsewhere.
Any community that isn't 100% fully owned and operated by you, yourself, Mango, is going to run into the risk of a mod 'censoring' or deleting something that you wanna see.
Any and every community. Here, Reddit, Facebook, any social media, any forum public or private. If you yourself don't own and run it in its entirely, that's a problem you cannot avoid.
So I mean this without any real intended offense but: shit or get off the pot. Run your own community that connects to no other system or service run by other people and hope the people you wanna talk to drop by, or tbh get used to it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edit: Can revenge-downvote me all you want Pepsi but I'm right on this one lol.
You know how ublock origin works? You pick out lists of filters that people have made. You're basically subscribing to moderators.
I don't think I'm interested in a platform that doesn't function that way. It's the only way to make sure moderators aren't just deciding the narrative for everyone else. It doesn't matter if the majority of people agree with a moderator's decisions of those decisions are wrong.
Well I wish you luck in finding what you're looking for, but Lemmy/Kbin by definition isn't it.
I might have to make it.
Nostr is what you're looking for. People who hate mods, defederation, and want a free speech chamber, look no further. You can host your own relay if you want but it doesn't make very much of a difference since accounts are independent from servers.
Just be aware that most people dislike this undermoderated enviornment due to how toxic it can get, but it seems like that's what you're looking for so I don't think it'll be that much of an issue for you.
I'm not against moderation. I made the Artisanvideos subreddit and moderated the shit out of it myself. I just think it'd be better for moderators to be a matter of user choice like block filters in ublock origin.
Thing is, it's not in the mods or admins' best interest to leave it up in the name of "user choice" and "free speech", these platforms host the content on them and the people hosting it are liable for it, plus making people be able to opt-out of moderation actions would attract unwanted people to the community, the kind of people who would seek that violating content and interact only with that.
Lemmy is NOT a "free speech" or "user choice", nor are the majority of fediverse platforms. I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions when it comes to the fediverse, it's that people think it's that. Really Federation is ultimately the same as a centralized site, that is self hostable, but with the added benefit of these different self-hosted sites communicating and cross-posting to each other. While this would be considered decentralized at the end of the day the site owners are the ones calling the shots, the can delete anything they want, ban anyone they want, or sever connections to servers if they want. They are within their right because they own the site and pay hosting and/or maintain the servers. Why should they put themselves at risk for the sake of "user choice" or "free speech" when they don't owe you the user anything?
With Nostr it's different because operators can purge whatever data they want off a relay, but your account isn't bound to a relay and information doesn't need to be copied to every relay like with Fediverse's ActivityPub. It offers the "user choice" and "free speech" experience by cryptographically isolating the user from the relays and by using them as... well... relays instead of instances.
In short the reason they don't do it is because the way the Fediverse is built isn't really suited for it, due to both liability, and the function.
One could make a tool like Reveddit or Unddit for Lemmy though that fetches the removed comments from the modlog and puts them back in the thread, but that wouldn't be like bypassing or disabling moderation.
You probably missed the comment where I mentioned admins would still need the ability to remove illegal content or stuff like bots using the place as storage.
Why should the admins allow literally anything when they don't owe me? Oh right, political agenda.
I run a modabuse community for whining about mods and hopefully holding them accountable
That's all well and good, but my issue is with what I don't see because it's hidden.
the modlogs are public
And that helps me how? Should I have to check the mod log every time I open a post?
I make a habit of checking the modlogs, and I also browse from mastodon, sometimes: Lemmy mod removals don't impact the mastodon cache
Ooohh, now that might be the way for me.
The modlogs public to see removed comments. Just a bit difficult to navigate through currently
That's ok for auditing a moderator, but no good for seeing everyone's stance on the particular topic or post I'm interested in.