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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The greek language structure of Mark seems to be cut off abruptly at the end. It doesn't conclude the Gospel properly. It wouldn't have made sense to end it here either as we know from Paul's letters which were written before. The end of the Gospel of Mark was likely a call to respond, to do what the women were told to do.

Secondly, you even seemed to say so yourself that John was written more isolated from the synoptics, so if they were trying to "censor" out when making stuff up, why would he include her in his gospel in the first place?

Lastly, that's assuming Marcan priority, which generally tries to presuppose that Matthew wasn't an eyewitness account in the first place. The early church clearly records Matthew as being written first and Matthew being written by Matthew (keep in mind that the Gospels were widely circulated by then and they had already rejected forgeries under names such as Peter) and Marcan priority was only hypothesised in the late 18th century, yet is still quite debated. Athiestic Bible scholars like it because it is useful for them to explain away the Bible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It made perfect sense to cut it there. It was a cliffhanger with Paul finishing up.

Secondly, you even seemed to say so yourself that John was written more isolated from the synoptics, so if they were trying to “censor” out when making stuff up, why would he include her in his gospel in the first place?

Because there is no "they". It was separate groups putting out works.

Lastly, that’s assuming Marcan priority, which generally tries to presuppose that Matthew wasn’t an eyewitness account in the first place

Which is a valid assumption since Matthew was not an eyewitness and Matthew copied Mark word for word at places. There is no presupposing here. Whomever wrote those two books were liars writing propaganda.

The early church clearly records Matthew as being written first and Matthew being written by Matthew

Genetic fallacy, sub-type argument from authority, logical fallacy. Something is true because it happened not because someone said it happened.

keep in mind that the Gospels were widely circulated by then and they had already rejected forgeries under names such as Peter)

Irrelevant. Being right about one thing doesn't mean being right about everything.

and Marcan priority was only hypothesised in the late 18th century,

And so was the germ theory of disease which I sincerely hope you buy into.

yet is still quite debated.

The existence of an argument doesn't mean both sides are equally likely to be true.

Athiestic Bible scholars like it because it is useful for them to explain away the Bible.

Circumstantial ad homunium attack. Another logical fallacy. 4th by my count.

I suggest you read up on logic a bit before going further.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Matthew was an eyewitness, Jesus literally called him in person. And Mark could have copied from Matthew instead. This "genetic fallacy" or whatever you made up is purely ignorant, as people who actually knew this stuff and where it came from are the strongest and most reliable sources.

Saying "We know Mark was written first because Matthew copied from Mark" doesn't make any sense - as Mark could just have easily copied from Matthew. And I'm the one you say doesn't know logic? 😂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The author of that book was not an eyewitness. If there was a historical Matthew he would have been an illiterate Aramaic speaking Jew not a highly literate Greek speaker. Even if the historical Matthew managed basic literacy he definitely would not have been witness to all the events that happened in secret, such as Mary speaking to the Holy Ghost alone.

And Mark could have copied from Matthew instead.

No. Matthew is a superset of Mark and religious writing get longer with time not shorter. 85% of Matthew is from Mark. Additionally we see Matthew break chiastic structures that Mark had to get results he wanted. Finally historically it doesn't make sense. Paul was either freshly dead or very old so it would make sense for Mark to recast Jesus as Paul, by the time Matthew was written the Jerusalem community has been mostly destroyed so they needed recruits from Jews. Hence the echoing and rewriting to cast Jesus as the new Moses.

This “genetic fallacy” or whatever you made up is purely ignorant

Logical fallacies. I didn't identify them first. They were discovered 5 centuries before Paul made up the Jesus myth.

as people who actually knew this stuff and where it came from are the strongest and most reliable sources.

Argument from authority. Present your evidence. The attributions of the Gospels were done by people over a century later. If it is so obvious why not just present your evidence?

Saying “We know Mark was written first because Matthew copied from Mark” doesn’t make any sense - as Mark could just have easily copied from Matthew. And I’m the one you say doesn’t know logic?

Repeating yourself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Matthew was a tax collector. It would have made no sense for him to be illiterate at all. And he would have likely known Greek as it was a common language in Judea at that time.

Again, "religious writings get longer with time not shorter" doesn't necessarily make sense either. Because the book of Jude, John's epistles, etc were all also written later. Papyrus was expensive. It would have made sense to make an abridged work with teachings in it from your own teachers as well for difference.

Matthew has a large chiastic structure too, so I don't know what that point was about.

Iraneus and Papias both referred to the gospels, and that was only within centuries.