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[–] [email protected] 110 points 11 months ago (6 children)

1, it's aspartame

2, Mice aren't humans, and routinely, things that happen in mice do not happen in humans. It is not at all indicative of anything and can really only be used as a hint better than nothing for looking into similar effects in humans.

You don't need to change your diet, and you certainly don't need to replace it with sugar.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 11 months ago (1 children)

*But drinking a glass of water from time to time won't kill you either.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Comment paid for Big Aspartame.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I see the Nutrasweet Lobbyists Association is here too!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How much is Big Sugar paying you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Big aspertame made that account 6 months ago, posted 1300 unrelated comments, just for this one moment...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Considering the patent was held by Monsanto, and all the decades of concerns have been raised by independent researchers but shut down by lobbying...

Well, I mean, who can you trust to not hide that they're making poison if not Monsanto?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (19 children)

Removing all forms of added sugar would probably make everyone feel better. Even minimizing natural sugar intake.

Sugar is terrible, there’s no doubt about it. Artificial or otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (6 children)

There's no research that indicates the currently used artificial sweeteners are bad for you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Theres mixed analysis over the decades, actually, and different groups have different conclusions.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/sweet-n-low-dangers-still-exist/

Overall, id say limiting added sugars (natural or artificial) is rpobably better for your health long term

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Artificial sugars and sweeteners are, by and large, very different things. Aspartame isn't a sugar of any sort.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I want to be super clear if anyone finds this and thinks maybe...

No, there is no evidence of artificial sweeteners causing harm. There is no conspiracy, and after many many studies over decades, nothing has been found. If there had been, then the artificial sweeteners would have been banned like the ones you've never heard of because we all banned them for causing problems.

If you drink regular soda today, you should absolutely look at replacing that with a diet varient without sugar. From everything we have learned over decades, it's absolutely safe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

A few people are replying with links (of various relevance) but you are just saying "no" and claiming you're being "super clear". Some of the replies are directly contraindications of the claim:

If you drink regular soda today, you should absolutely look at replacing that with a diet varient without sugar.

Your counterpoint is saying they are "absolutely safe". I don't know whether you are right or wrong. It's not anywhere near my field, but I can say I don't find your rhetoric convincing.

Edit: I fucked up and pasted the wrong quote. I changed the quote to the one I meant.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Eh, IIRC there's research that if you eat incredible amounts it'll likely be bad for you. But it's a lot and the equivalent amount of sugar would be way way worse.

[–] msage 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Drinking too much water can kill you, too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

i actually almost died from hyponatremia this year

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not to mention that the gene pool of these lab mice is super small. Source: my brother is a PhD biochemist and lectured me often on this shit when I said, "hey, look at this study!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The small gene pool is done on purpose. The mice are supposed to be as close to clones as possible so that you can have control populations and be confident that the results weren't affected by certain genes and mutations in the test population.

The size of the gene pool isn't really an issue though because they can be bred however it's required for tests. They have quite a lot of control over the genetics of those lab mice.

Testing for a cure for diabetes? They can produce mice that are almost guaranteed to develop diabetes that you can then try to cure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Such a small groups are fine for initial investigation, they have enough of a size to be acceptable statistically for most of the performed studies. I don't think they'd get approval from ethical committee overseeing animal experiments without initial study like this to conduct something on very high groups.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I am a relatively recent transplant from the red place, I can tell I ain't in Kansas anymore, actual good information being up voted so cool.

Aspartame is, because of all the claims against it, the single most studied food substance known, and it seems to somehow keep coming okay. There are a lot of studies with really bad methods that were a smear job attempt but science doing what it does they were labeled for what they are and disregarded. Is it possible to be allergic and a reaction to be anxiety sure, but that is not on the food.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Guarantee the study also states that you have to consume an ungodly amount of it too...

News reports grab on to stuff like this all the time. Like what they did with safrole.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The article actually states how much. 15% of the daily recommended amount.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There's a daily recommended amount for mice? Or was that 15% of the recommended amount for humans, which would be massive for mice?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It's the equivalent of the human daily dose. So adjusted for body weight. Loosely translated, it would be 15% of the daily recommended dose for mice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

15% of humans recommended amount. It's in the article.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Actually no, the keyword is equivalent, so adjusted for body weight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Ah I think you're right.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I stand corrected! That's a ridiculously small amount!

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