this post was submitted on 25 Dec 2023
291 points (89.6% liked)

News

23014 readers
13 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 110 points 10 months ago (6 children)

1, it's aspartame

2, Mice aren't humans, and routinely, things that happen in mice do not happen in humans. It is not at all indicative of anything and can really only be used as a hint better than nothing for looking into similar effects in humans.

You don't need to change your diet, and you certainly don't need to replace it with sugar.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (1 children)

*But drinking a glass of water from time to time won't kill you either.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Comment paid for Big Aspartame.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I see the Nutrasweet Lobbyists Association is here too!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How much is Big Sugar paying you?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Big aspertame made that account 6 months ago, posted 1300 unrelated comments, just for this one moment...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Considering the patent was held by Monsanto, and all the decades of concerns have been raised by independent researchers but shut down by lobbying...

Well, I mean, who can you trust to not hide that they're making poison if not Monsanto?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Removing all forms of added sugar would probably make everyone feel better. Even minimizing natural sugar intake.

Sugar is terrible, there’s no doubt about it. Artificial or otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (8 children)

There's no research that indicates the currently used artificial sweeteners are bad for you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Theres mixed analysis over the decades, actually, and different groups have different conclusions.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/sweet-n-low-dangers-still-exist/

Overall, id say limiting added sugars (natural or artificial) is rpobably better for your health long term

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Artificial sugars and sweeteners are, by and large, very different things. Aspartame isn't a sugar of any sort.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I want to be super clear if anyone finds this and thinks maybe...

No, there is no evidence of artificial sweeteners causing harm. There is no conspiracy, and after many many studies over decades, nothing has been found. If there had been, then the artificial sweeteners would have been banned like the ones you've never heard of because we all banned them for causing problems.

If you drink regular soda today, you should absolutely look at replacing that with a diet varient without sugar. From everything we have learned over decades, it's absolutely safe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

A few people are replying with links (of various relevance) but you are just saying "no" and claiming you're being "super clear". Some of the replies are directly contraindications of the claim:

If you drink regular soda today, you should absolutely look at replacing that with a diet varient without sugar.

Your counterpoint is saying they are "absolutely safe". I don't know whether you are right or wrong. It's not anywhere near my field, but I can say I don't find your rhetoric convincing.

Edit: I fucked up and pasted the wrong quote. I changed the quote to the one I meant.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

there's little research to show sugar dangers to be more than correlation

fat people eat a lot of sugar. fat people also eat a lot. eating a lot is how you get fat, drinking calories just happens to be a fast track to getting fat. diet soda happens to be physiologically like drinking water. fat people drink diet instead of sugar coke thats already 200-1000 calories of their day GONE with very very minimal change.

then those fat people supplement the lost sugars with more food and they gain weight. then you get studies showing GUYS DIET SODA CAUSES WEIGHT GAIN (in fat people)

but no its not the sugar its not the macros its YOU eating too much and you can eat less to lose weight that's just simple science. body types, "nuance", "bad metabolism". none of that shits real it all stems from shitty dietary choices and lack of muscle.

all of this to say unless theres medical issues or medical intervention your weight and body type is 100% in your control should you choose to take control

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How about all the research that shows sugar is addictive AF

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

self control is a thing everything is addictive in some facet refined sugars just happens to trigger a stronger dopamine response than other things.

but in the end of the day self control is necessary nobody can control you except you. so dont blame sugars addicitiveness for being overweight if you are. its solely an overeating issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I feel like you underestimate addiction. "Self control" is what's needed to not start smoking; but it takes something stronger to quit smoking, I think -- a more refined willpower than simple "self control".

And sure, it's something a person could cultivate and train on their own with time and focus. But so are most other things. "Why aren't you good at drawing? All you need to do is practice every day! it's simple."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

nicotine is chemically addictive sugar is not.

im a stoner and can assure you the way to quit smoking something that isnt chemically addictive is cold turkey will-power babey. ive taken long breaks when needed with months of straight use 24/7 down to zero for months. its all mind over matter.

im also shredded now because slight caloric deficit and healthy eating is also straight will power mind over matter to consistently eat a slight deficit and well for months. and i do a rigourous calisthenics strength routine consistently to supplement thus I'm quite ripped.

shit even for my cut i completely quit eating added sugars cold turkey i didnt eat any aside from the occasional if i was given something for like 4 months. it was also pretty easy and made occasional sweets taste better and fruits/veggies were gas.

people make shit up as excuses like "ohh im skinny fat its too late", "i dont have time in between my laying down and netflix binge". no body types dont exist. never have never will stop using excuses. if you want to be lazy accept the fact YOU ARE LAZY theres no other excuse than you being lazy. which is chill being lazy is fun sometimes (remember im a stoner) but don't pretend its for some other reason its all on YOU.

everyone thinks oh its too hard i cant do it. but no youre just lazy and weak willed and im not joking. you can do anything if you want to thats the beauty of life. things don't come easy if you see someone doing crazy shit that's probably a conglomeration of years of hard work and dedication. they probably started looking and thinking like you til they woke up.

WAKE UP you dont need to be fat, your metabolism doesn't need to suffer with age, your joints dont need to get worse. all of this happens from a lack of training and poor diet NOT age. age provides the time for your body to degrade you have to prevent that degration. I FUCKING HATE when people say your metabolism will slow down and youll get fat eventually. bitch no ill never be like you.

also finally, i am a drug addict i know about addiction trust me. I've quit some shittier things it takes effort but in the end of the day still its on YOU to quit nobody can quit for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

nicotine is chemically addictive sugar is not.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you mean a sugar addiction is more like a gambling addiction than a nicotine addiction, I don't think that's the case; you can find studies that claim sugar addiction is "opiate-like". There are also some sensational claims like "sugar is more addictive than cocaine", though that seems like more of a stretch to me.

I'm glad to hear you are in great shape, and it's clear you tie a lot of self worth to physical fitness. But I would caution you not to use that as an excuse to look down on others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Of course sugar is addictive as fuck - you would literally die without it.

load more comments (10 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not to mention that the gene pool of these lab mice is super small. Source: my brother is a PhD biochemist and lectured me often on this shit when I said, "hey, look at this study!"

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I am a relatively recent transplant from the red place, I can tell I ain't in Kansas anymore, actual good information being up voted so cool.

Aspartame is, because of all the claims against it, the single most studied food substance known, and it seems to somehow keep coming okay. There are a lot of studies with really bad methods that were a smear job attempt but science doing what it does they were labeled for what they are and disregarded. Is it possible to be allergic and a reaction to be anxiety sure, but that is not on the food.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Guarantee the study also states that you have to consume an ungodly amount of it too...

News reports grab on to stuff like this all the time. Like what they did with safrole.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The article actually states how much. 15% of the daily recommended amount.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There's a daily recommended amount for mice? Or was that 15% of the recommended amount for humans, which would be massive for mice?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

15% of humans recommended amount. It's in the article.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Actually no, the keyword is equivalent, so adjusted for body weight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Ah I think you're right.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I stand corrected! That's a ridiculously small amount!

load more comments (3 replies)